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Nowhere is it more apparent than posters that present sophists like William Webster as an objective and authentic source. His commercial success is only the result of him writing what his primary audience, anti-Catholics, want to hear.

Would you also call sophists:

Alexander Roberts and W. H. Rambaut, trans., The Writings of Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 5.2.2 (Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1874)

Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, The Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. III, Latin Christianity: Its Founder, Tertullian, On the Resurrection of the Flesh,

Eusebius of Caesarea, On the Theology of the Church, iii.11, 12. Taken from Darwell Stone, A History of the Doctrine of the Holy Eucharist

A Library of the Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church, The Catechetical Lectures of Cyril of Jerusalem, XXII.1-2, XXIII.7 (Oxford: Parker, 1842),

Pope Gelasius, I On the Two Natures in Christ. Taken from Darwell Stone, A History of the Doctrine of the Holy Eucharist, vol. I (London: Longmans, Green, 1909),

J.N.D. Kelly, Early Christian Doctrines (San Francisco: Harper & Row, 1978)

Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, vol. II, St. Augustin: The City of God and On Christian Doctrine, On Christian Doctrine 3.16.2 (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956)

A Library of the Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church, Homilies on the Gospel According to St. John by S. Augustine, Homily 92.1, p. 873; Homily 50.13 (Oxford: Parker, 1849)

Theologians such as Duns Scotus, Biel, Occam & Wessel

Karl Keating, Catholicism and Fundamentalism (San Francisco: Ignatius, 1988)

Francis Clark, Eucharistic Sacrifice and the Reformation (Oxford: Basil Blackwell, 1967)

Thomas Falls, Saint Justin Martyr Dialogue with Trypho 117, (Washington D.C.: Catholic University, 1948)

St. Augustin: The Writings Against the Manicheans and Against the Donatists, Reply to Faustus the Manichean 6.5, 20.21 (New York: Longmans, Green, 1909)

Because those are the sources Webster used to prove his contentions See http://www.the-highway.com/eucharist_Webster.html. The blatant biases I am speaking of are from those that refuse to read an article from a man who dared to leave the Church they worship no matter how well researched AND truthful it is. You guys sure brag about all the former Protestants that leave for Catholicism, yet it has not stopped me from reading their views. I think it begs the question, what are you afraid of?

"Would you also call sophists:"

No, but I would call Webster's disingenuous and and outright fraudulent citation of sources a text book example of sophistry. It is what one of my professors referred to as footnote padding and another referred to as putting lipstick on a pig.

You would have me believe that Webster's position is fully supported by those he cites when in many cases the exact opposite is true and obvious to anyone familiar with the cited sources.

There are numerous Protestant theologians worthy of citation, but to hang your credibility on a charlatan like Webster is frankly disappointing.

Peace be with you.

The blatant biases I am speaking of are from those that refuse to read an article from a man who dared to leave the Church they worship no matter how well researched AND truthful it is.

All Webster does is take out of context from those sources he uses and never brings forth the totality of consistency of the entire writings of Church Fathers.He finds a few writings from sources that he can use to try and make people believe the Church Fathers were not being as clear and ignores the consistency of the Church Fathers.

The way Webster does this regarding the Eucharist and the Church Fathers is downright manipulative and diabolical.

How difficult do you think it would be for someone to go through all of your writings here on FR and pick out a few that you might not be as specific regarding what you believe because you know the people you are conversing with already know your beliefs because you posted them many times? How would you feel if people kept referring back to the few times you were unclear and used it to say your unclear writings raises doubt of your belief?

This is what William Webster does with the Church Fathers.I can see how people like Webster can cause people to become atheist in the way he manipulates Christan history

Time and time again many of us here on FR have shown the consistency of the Church Fathers that leaves NO doubt they believed in The Real Presence,yet somehow you still post from this Charlton Webster as if he is some scholar about Catholicism,which Webster clearly is not.

I wish you a Blessed day!