Posted on 05/17/2012 5:40:57 PM PDT by Gamecock
Then apparently I believe the words of Christ, and those in your camp, don't.
I suppose that is why you would have been among those to desert Him at the synagogue in Capernaum.
Peace be with you.
I suppose that is why you would have been among those to desert Him at the synagogue in Capernaum.
Peace be with you.
Yes, that's right. But of course, they're not submitting to the authority of the Church, either...just like Protestants.
*WE'VE* established what?
I don't recall seeing anyone agree with you on that.
Maybe YOU think you've established it, but you've proved nothing.
True believers are filled with God's Holy Spirit and can hear and recognize His voice, but anything HE directs an individual believer in no way rises to the level of inspired Scripture.
The reasoning that Catholics use is simply an attempt to justify the use of tradition and put it on par or above Holy Spirit inspired Scripture. It leads to what we've seen in the nonsense of teaching and proclaiming them as truth things that are directly contradicted in Scripture.
I'd say the desertion is rather more immediate than Capernaum.
Then where is your OT citation for Simeon's prophecy?
Refusing to acknowledge an established fact does not make it any less established.
You have made that accusation before and I can only surmise that you are doing it again to be hurtful to those who love their Church. Shame on you.
Do you ever tire of being the fool? The facts are that the nations that practice the greater level of witchcraft, that still today sacrifice children and albinos, are located in sub-Saharan Africa, areas with a heavily Protestant presence.
The shame on you is that these pagan practices in Africa or the Caribbean is not a product of the form of Christianity brought to the people, but their rejection of it. It dishonors the martyrs of all denominations who sacrificed and are still sacrificing to bring the Gospel to these people rather than sit behind a keyboard and condemn all who do not follow your orthodoxy. I urge you to repent of that prideful sin, pick up your cross and actually make a sacrifice for something greater and more deserving than you.
May the Peace of Christ and the Holy Spirit come upon you.
Well, that wasn’t really directed at you.
Like prattling nonsense such as "The flesh counts for NOTHING" when clearly, most of what we call "sin" is defined by what we do with "the flesh."
Jesus went to great lengths to differentiate between "the flesh" and "My (His) Flesh". Our flesh counts for nothing. His Flesh counts for EVERYTHING.
Peace be with you.
Jesus went to great lengths to differentiate between "the flesh" and "My (His) Flesh". Our flesh counts for nothing. His Flesh counts for EVERYTHING.
Peace be with you.
Amen, and amen....
Don't flatter yourself too much, you're going to sprain your arm from patting yourself on the back too much. You're not as unique as you seem to think.
Many of us come from both Catholic and Protestant backgrounds. Most of those of us who speak out about the error we see in Catholicism were baptized and raised as Catholics. We left the Catholic church when we saw the truth in Scripture and couldn't reconcile it with the falsehoods the Catholic church teaches in the name of *holy tradition* that conflicted with the clear reading of Scripture.
These others, who just keep talking trash like they are rooting for their favorite ball team, and ignoring pertinent questions to yet again repeat their sanctified cliches, are merely expressing superstition dressed up in Christian garb. i.e. "magic."
If you've had to resort to accusing those who appeal to the authority of Scripture, which the Catholic church claims to have written, of engaging in magic then it's the equivalent of raising the white flag. It's essentially conceding defeat.
Are you going to likewise chastise your fellow Catholic(s) who on this very thread have made the same sorts of statements about Protestants?
I won't hold my breath.
The facts are that the nations that practice the greater level of witchcraft, that still today sacrifice children and albinos, are located in sub-Saharan Africa, areas with a heavily Protestant presence.
Prove it. Cite it.
May the Peace of Christ and the Holy Spirit come upon you.
He has already.
If what I have seen here is "appealing to the authority of Scripture," then so is rubbing Buddha's belly.
As I said earlier, the Pharisees were "appealing to Scripture" when they accused the disciples of harvesting on the Sabbath. And most of the twisted accusations made against Jesus himself, were based on Scripture.
Again, quoting Scripture means nothing, rightly dividing it, does.
Are you going to cleave that sentence in half again with your reply?
Wow! The peace of Christ argues like a petulant little girl...who knew?
I am not following this closely, but what is the premise behind this?
Prove it. Cite it.
Just.... wow......
You just don't get it, do you?
If you think that sin is only what you do in the flesh, you are going to be in for a rude awakening some day. Learn now before it's too late.
Matthew 5:8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
Matthew 5:21-22 21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
Matthew 5:27-28 27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matthew 23:25-28 25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean. 27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness. 28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
Matthew 12:34 You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
Matthew 15:18-20 18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”
1 John 3:15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
Mark 7:18-23 18 And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, 19 since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” ( Thus he declared all foods clean.) 20 And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. 21 For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”
If what goes into a man's stomach cannot defile him, then what goes into a man's stomach cannot make him righteous or pure either.
Sin starts in the heart long before it is given birth in in the flesh. We are not at the mercy of our flesh. We do what we want to do, what we choose to do. If we choose to sin, it's because we decided before the actions to do it.
God's standard is not merely absolute perfection in actions, it's also absolute perfection in heart. If Catholics truly believe that unless each and every sin they commit is repented for individually, they are to be most pitied because there's simply NO WAY that ANYONE can keep accounts of each and every sin they commit every day. On that basis, since they believe in salvation by works, no one is ever going to make it to heaven, Catholic or not.
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