Posted on 05/17/2012 5:40:57 PM PDT by Gamecock
Nice summary of what is going on inside Rome.
Sigh...It doesn't appear that you REALLY agree to disagree. If you had stopped after the second sentence, then I most likely would have believed you that you truly want to agree to disagree. Sigh...
No.
I'll bet that your denomination does.
You would lose that bet very quickly.
Neither do you have authority to interpret Scripture by the same standard you are using.
And then there's the problem of those who CLAIM to have authority to interpret Scripture. First, it's just their claim, their say so. There's no way to verify that. Their claim has to be taken on faith, itself.
And then whatever they say has to be interpreted and if nobody is capable of interpreting Scripture correctly, then likewise, nobody is capable of interpreting ANYTHING correctly because the words of those who interpret Scripture for you also need to be interpreted and how do you know that you're interpreting their interpretation correctly?
Fortunately for us, Scripture is not that obtuse about salvation by faith.
In addition, I don't give a rip about what self-proclaimed "prophet" has to say, Protestant or not. Lots of people claim to be speaking for God. Their saying so doesn't make it so. You might as well not bother posting any more of that drivel because it's irrelevant. All that matters is what God breathed, Holy Spirit inspired Scripture has to say and it's this......
John 3:14-16 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. 16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 6:28-29 28 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
Luke 18:9-14 9 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
Romans 3:21-31 21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.
Romans 4:1-8 What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: 7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; 8 blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”
Galatians 2:15-21 15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
17 But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. 19 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Galatians 3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
15 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
Salvation has ALWAYS been by faith, never anything else. The problem is that we as humans feel this need to DO something because we have to feel in control and trusting by faith is relinquishing that control to God.
God didn't establish the Law as a means of salvation but to show us our need for Christ, but people with this need to DO something, turned it into something it was never meant to be.
If the Law God gave doesn't save, any new system of works that man sets up to replace that Law doesn't save either.
It's always been by faith, and it always will be by faith.
Prove it.
MB: Do you guys serve communion to pro-abortion politicians? I'll bet that your denomination does.
What's it to you when YOUR denomination does and everyone knows it?
There's simply no way to legitimately criticize or condemn some Protestant church for wrong behavior when the Catholic church itself continually engages in same said wrong behavior and has for decades/centuries.
Sure they were Catholics, dontchaknow?
They just never realized it......
/roll eyes...
Please note that the ^ character refers to the last source (though it appears sometimes i forgot to place it, but if so it belongs there)
I think I can assure you that, wherever the Eucharist is validly confected, if there's a problem, it's not because Christ is absent.
“I didn’t realize Moses, Jeremiah, or Daniel were Roman Catholic. ;O)
Sure they were Catholics, dontchaknow?
They just never realized it......
/roll eyes...”
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Make a joke. You know what I meant...do not roll your eyes sister. You would not have a Bible without the Church. Everything you know of Christ came from the RCC.
How the Canon of the Bible (the official catalogue of inspired books) was officially declared.
362 A.D. Catholic Church’s Council of Rome defines the Canon of Holy Scripture.
382 Pope Damasus issues a listing of the present OT and NT Canon of 73 books
383 Saint Jerome translates the Latin Vulgate from Greek & Hebrew
393 Council of Hippo (North Africa) approves the present Canon of 73 books
397 Council of Constantinople produces first bound Bible (the Vulgate: previously, all
were separate books)
397 Council of Carthage (North Africa) approves the same OT and NT canon
405 Pope Saint Innocent I approves the Canon again and closes it (with 73 books)
Roman Catholics wrote the Bible and most Protestant ministers agree.
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“Prove it.”
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metmom, you spend a lot of time trashing the Church. Become one of those who believes Jesus is present in the most Holy Eucharist. You ignore history and true authority. If each person decides the meaning of God’s revelation, it doesn’t work. God gave us an authority, one authority.
The Gospel states the pillar and foundation of truth is
the Church NOT the Bible. The Bible is a Catholic Book.
You must come home, soon, it’s not far off, the Great Warning.
1 Tim 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
There is a movement within the more radical elements of modern Protestantism to assert that the Church was NEVER Catholic. That is something that even the most radical of the fathers of the Reformation ever asserted. To do that they have to try to remove the Church's fingerprints from every element of Christian history, even when it requires falsification and deceit.
Peace be with you.
Roman Catholics wrote the Bible and most Protestant ministers agree.
“Prove it.”
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How the Canon of the Bible (the official catalog of inspired books) was officially declared.
362 A.D. Catholic Church’s Council of Rome defines the Canon of Holy Scripture.
382 Pope Damasus issues a listing of the present OT and NT Canon of 73 books
383 Saint Jerome translates the Latin Vulgate from Greek & Hebrew
393 Council of Hippo (North Africa) approves the present Canon of 73 books
397 Council of Constantinople produces first bound Bible (the Vulgate: previously, all
were separate books)
397 Council of Carthage (North Africa) approves the same OT and NT canon
405 Pope Saint Innocent I approves the Canon again and closes it (with 73 books)
If there is a spiritual issue going on with any of the church leadership, priests, ect, can the Eucharist in that Catholic church or “bread and wine” as served in Protestant churches be said to be “properly confected”, blessed, prayed for...ect? Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty....otherwise there is only spiritual paucity and bondage!
“There is a movement within the more radical elements of modern Protestantism to assert that the Church was NEVER Catholic”...
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Hi NL,
That’s crazy! How can you remove 2000 years of history,
personal testimony for 2000 years and the miraculous?
We want to help our brothers and sisters come to belief.
I keep repeating they gotta go further than saying “Jesus
is coming soon.” Yes, but to do what?
Look busy!
This Catholic seer is from Brazil, so it is a translation.
A most heart wrenching message. Dear non-Catholic brothers
and sisters, Protestant and Catholic, prophecy is preparing everyone for one end time.
The greatest graces are found only in Roman Catholicism.
Come to believe Our Lord is present in the Eucharist NOW. Accept Sacramental confession to a priest *John 20:23*, confession and prayer for the life of your soul. And a third, accept who Mary is and her help. You can speak to her in prayer, she would love it. The Blessed Trinity has given Mary all graces to dispense.
The “instant” and the “instants” spoken of in the message, the “instant”, MO, is the persecution of the Church, further rejection of Mary and absolutely Our Lord is talking about for all the world, God’s divine gift coming soon, you know it as the “awakening” in Protestant messages from Heaven. Catholics hear it called the Great Warning.
Pray every day...unceasingly as the message says and
prepare for the Great Warning by making a from the heart
confession of your MORTAL sins to God. Catholics go to
Confession. You will not feel the pain of seeing CONFESSED
sins in your NDE like life review during the “awakening”
I myself, only put in CAPS, about the Eucharist.
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http://www.revelacionesmarianas.com/english_version.htm
MESSAGE FROM OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
TO HIS BELOVED DAUGHTER LIGHT OF MARY
APRIL 25, 2012
Beloved children:
MY PEACE BE WITH EACH ONE OF YOU.
The instant is coming in which I will call My People to pray and they will not know how to pray, but to speak, without maintaining the mind and heart in line with what the mouth utters.
HERE I AM BECAUSE I LOVE YOU.
WITHOUT EXCLUDING ANY OF MY CHILDREN, I COME AGAIN FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL.
The instant is coming in which those who do not understand Me, those who do not carry Me in their being, who do not know Me, who do not allow Me to give Myself to them, will close the door of their heart and will launch themselves against My faithful.
PRAYER MUST BE BORN FROM WITHIN YOUR BEING, IT MUST NOT BE REPETITIVE BUT BORN FROM THE HEART, UNTIL YOUR BEING VIBRATES IN EACH WORD, FEELING AND THOUGHT.
I have called you to pray, to live that constant prayer, being My same act given with all of Love to your brothers and sisters, willing to be help, understanding, protection, charity for those who need it. Being Word that corrects, that gives light, without consenting to what is sinful, but acting with a loving and severe rigor, first for yourselves and after correcting yourselves, towards your brothers and sisters.
Instants are coming in which humanity must hear what is has not wanted to hear, what it has refused to hear. The state of this generation is disastrous; My Heavenly Messengers: your companions, assist you without appropriate response from you. How many dangers are you spared thanks to your Guardians! The Heavenly Messengers do not rest, they experience pain in the face of the refusal of humanity that pushes conversion away and attaches itself to the lord of lies and confusion.
Saint Michael, Celestial Hierarch, along with myriads of His Legions, await expectantly humanity’s reactions, reactions of denial before My Mother, who in all the countries of the World, pilgrimages rescuing souls that the devil maintains in captivity.
These are instants in which the lack of humility leads to the denial of the state of darkness in which you live.
Children, pay heed, this generation will live what no other generation has lived… the weight of sin has been able to shed the Bitter Cup upon humanity itself.
Pray beloved children, pray for Argentina, it will suffer, it will shake.
Pray My beloved, pray for Mexico, it will suffer.
Pray for El Salvador, it will lament.
The life of peace is coming for all the faithful, live and preach the truth, LOVE ME IN THE EUCHARIST, strengthen yourselves for what is coming.
AFTER THE DARKNESS, AFTER THE PURIFICATION, THE SUN OF MY LOVE WILL SHINE FOR ALL, YOU WILL NOT HAVE ANY MORE PAINS, SUFFERING WILL BE ONLY A MEMORY.
Be defenders of life and of the innocents.
Only through My Love will you retake the path of peace.
I bless you.
Your Jesus
HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN.
HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN.
HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN.
““Jesus is coming soon.”
Look busy!
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teee...heee...
I'm pretty certain that means yes.
So when Jesus says the bread is His body and the wine is his blood, you interpret that in a literal way. When He says He is the door, you are able to understand the meaning behind the statement but don't believe that Jesus is literally a door. Why the inconsistency? Or am I assuming too much here? Do you pray to and worship a physical door?
We all like to take the Word out of context to make ‘our point’.
Speak for yourself.
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