Alright, if then “apart from the law” where does the ban on homosexuality come from? My guess is this:
I believe John defines marriage as a man and woman. And Christians are not to fornicate.
So, you can’t have sex, until your married, and you can only marry if you are man & woman.
But this only applies to believers. So why are we Christians forcing our definitions of marriage on unbelieving homosexuals in a so-called free country?
Can’t we hold to our ideals, without forcing it on the unbelievers? I mean, if they have a sincere conversion, then they will have to recognize their homosexual union is no longer marriage.
If the unbelievers never convert and repent, then how can we be affected in anyway? They are going to hell, not us.
Are we afraid our children are going to become homosexual by seeing other homosexuals together? I mean, we should be covering the bases at home on these items. Why should the state have to enforce our beliefs too protect our children?
It’s just going to cost us the voters more in the long run, from all the litigation that is going to attempt to reverse various laws and constitutional amendments.
Is it really that important for us to violate someone else’s 2nd amendment rights so that we can feel “more Christian”?
Anyhow, one good thing will come out of this. I project that Obama is going to lose a significant part of the black vote. Even liberal LA voted against homosexual marriage, due to Compton, if memory serves. This will help ROmney slightly.
That should be first amendment.
We need not take up residence in the sewer pipe to prove that our children can resist germs.
I was referring specifically to the Law of Moses, which was the Covenant between God and Israel. Gentiles were not included in that Covenant. That Mosaic Covenant is no longer in force.
I believe John defines marriage as a man and woman. And Christians are not to fornicate.
So, you can’t have sex, until your married, and you can only marry if you are man & woman.
The short answer is the God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
Matthew 19
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
But this only applies to believers. So why are we Christians forcing our definitions of marriage on unbelieving homosexuals in a so-called free country?
it does not only apply to believers:
Romans 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Romans 2:
12 For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
God's General Revelation of Himself in His Creation is enough to hold all accountable for their rebellion against Him. Besides, this was founded as a Christian nation, not in the ecclesiastical sense, but on Christian precepts and principles, by Christians.
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ."
Patrick Henry
If the unbelievers never convert and repent, then how can we be affected in anyway? They are going to hell, not us.
Remember Sodom and Gomorrah? That was before Moses, too. God's laws (in the general sense) cannot be violated without peril. There are inevitable consequences for breaking them, in this life and in the next. This Nation cannot violate them with impunity.
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever."
Thomas Jefferson
Is it really that important for us to violate someone else’s 2nd amendment rights so that we can feel “more Christian”?
Who is talking about violating anyone's 2nd Amendment rights?
"...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty"The increasing loss of our liberty in this Nation is no unrelated to the decades-long deliberate sabotage of this Nation's moral compass.
2 Corinthians 3:17b
Cordially,