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To: Natural Law; boatbums
IOW, no Scriptural justification for it.

I didn't think so.

The comment about if we truly loved Jesus we would be willing to spend eternity in eternal torment for His sake is total nonsense.

Granted, it's a sentence, but still, sentences are supposed to mean something. That doesn't.

It is a very dark and hedonistic soteriology that puts the personal fear of the physical above the loss of the divine and believes that the Gospel must rely on threats and coercion to precipitate what should be selflessly given.

Well, you'll have to take that up with Jesus because He's the one that warned us more about hell and the eternal torment and the punishment for unbelief than He taught about heaven and the rewards for belief.

And it isn't nearly as twisted as some of the teachings about salvation that the Catholic church purports.

It may not have occurred to you yet, but *threatening* someone who doesn't want anything to do with God with an eternity without Him, is no threat to them. You still haven't explained how giving someone what they want is punishment to them. For the God hater, the punishment would be to spend eternity WITH Him.

Take out the eternal torment and there's no impetus for the non-believer to give a rip about the idea of spending eternity without God.

Spending eternity without God is only a deterrent to those who want to spend eternity WITH Him, and they're most likely going to be saved anyway.

247 posted on 05/15/2012 2:00:28 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
"The comment about if we truly loved Jesus we would be willing to spend eternity in eternal torment for His sake is total nonsense."

It is only nonsense to those who value their own creature comforts more than they do Him. I pray that your statement was only the product of anti-Catholic contrariness and not your true feelings.

"But above all these things is the being associated with the companies of angels and archangels, thrones and dominations, principalities and powers, and the enjoyment of the watches of all the celestial virtues—to behold the squadron of the saints, adorned with stars; the patriarchs, glittering with faith; the prophets, rejoicing in hope; the apostles, who in the twelve tribes of Israel, shall judge the whole world; the martyrs, decked with the purple diadems of victory; the virgins, also, with their wreaths of beauty. But of the King, who is in the midst, no words are able to speak. That beauty, that virtue, that glory, that magnificence, that majesty, surpasses every expression, every sense of the human mind. For it is greater than the glory of all saints; but to attain to that ineffable sight, and to be made radiant with the splendor of His countenance, it were worth while to suffer torment every day—it were worth while to endure hell itself for a season, so that we might behold Christ coming in glory, and be joined to the number of the saints; so is it not then well worth while to endure earthly sorrows, that we may be partakers of such good, and of such glory?" - St. Bede 710 AD

248 posted on 05/15/2012 2:44:42 PM PDT by Natural Law (Mary was the face that God chose for Himself.)
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