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To: Jeff Head; Elsie; BlueMoose; bert; cva66snipe; Lurker; AppyPappy
Oh, they would quote from, cut and paste and refer to numerous articles published quoting individuals and even leaders in the first denomination to which the first individual belonged. That individual on numerous occassions replied that the documents they were quoting (like the Journal of Discourses) were not official church doctrine or scripture and did not represent in many cases the offical position of the 1st denomination.

Post #2 on 'What is 'OFFICIAL' Lds authoritative teaching':

Yes ole apologist Jeff Head, perhaps still wishing that so many Lds general authorities -- each with more Lds church authority in a cut-off toenail than Jeff ever had in his entire lifetime -- haven't gone on record declaring the following...

You see, Jeff Head in some way or another supports Brigham Young University...so named after a certain "prophet" by the same name...And what did ole Brigham declare on this matter?

“…Brigham Young has said ‘when he sends forth his discourses to the world they may call them Scripture.’ I say now, when they are copied and approved by me they are as good Scripture as is couched in this Bible…” (Oct. 6, 1870, Journal of Discourses 13:264)

“What is Scripture? When one of the brethren stands before a congregation of the people today, and the inspiration of the Lord is upon him, he speaks that which the Lord would have him speak. It is just as much scripture as anything you will find written in any of these records, and yet we call these the standard works of the church.” (Lds “prophet” Joseph Fielding Smith, Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, 1:186)

“There is scripture other than the standard works. Some people get the idea that the only scripture we have in the Church today is that which is contained in the four standard Church works. Now, the Lord in a revelation has spoken of something else defined scripture. [Then cites D&C 68:2-4].” (The Teachings of [Lds "prophet" Harold B. Lee, p. 148)

“The Lord has told us by revelation to speak as we may be moved upon by the Holy Ghost. When a man speaks as he is moved upon by the Holy Spirit what he says ins the word of the Lord; it is the mind of the Lord, it is scripture, it is the will of the Lord…” ( Lds "prophet" Wilford Woodruff, Sept. 1, 1899, Collected discourses, 1:340-341)

“…I submit that whatever comes from the voices of those who hold the authority is scripture, no matter of what they may speak.” (Of the First Presidency, J. Reuben Clark, Jr. Conference Report, April, 1944, p. 112)

“Anything and everything that affects the well-being of us Latter-day Saints or that has to do with our religion, may become part of that scripture, and when the servants of God speak to us about such things, speaking under the inspiration of the Lord, then their words become scripture.” (Ibid)

“…remember, if there is ever a conflict between earthly knowledge and the words of the prophet, you stand with the prophet…” (Lds "prophet" Ezra Taft Benson, “Fourteen Fundamentals of Following the Prophet,” 1980 devotional speeches of the year (Provo, 1981)

“Talk about revelation! You go and read the sermons of President Young, and if you do not believe now that he was a Prophet, I think after you have read them you will be sure he was…” (Cannon, Gospel Truth: Discourses & Writings of President George Q. Cannon 1:155)

“…their [Prophets’] discourses to the Saints, and their official writings should be considered products of their official prophetic calling and should be heeded.” (Church manual: Teachings of the Living Prophets, 1982, p. 21)

“The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray.” (Gen Conf Oct. 1960, p. 78)

Hinckley & many other lds leaders said same thing (Hinckley said it in ’92)

Besides, Lds ensign magazine has told us that eternal principles never change;
current Lds "prophet" Monson has told Mormons that doctrine is constant;
Other members of the past Lds first presidencies have assured us that doctrine can’t be changed, modified, or abrogated, and that doctrine is fixed and unchangeable, that principles/doctrines are eternal;
BYU prof Millet has told us the doctrine of Jesus Christ is the same

And, as indicated in my previous post, even sources like the Journal of Discourses is according to one Lds apostle, “eternal truth”; another past member of the First Presidency told us the JoD deservedly ranks as a “standard work”

Jeff Head would have you believe that ALL -- count 'em all -- these "prophets" and First Presidents (top three hierarchists in the church) I've cited on this and my previous post -- that ALL of them through ALL these decades...are either wrong, misguided, mistaken, or falsely prophesied...and that Jeff alone is right...

Well, perhaps we can agree they are all false prophets, after all...

334 posted on 04/26/2012 11:20:31 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian; Jeff Head

I’ll take issue with one point.

Because they believe in Latter Day prophets, anything said 150 years ago can be overturned at any time. So instead of telling Jeff what he believes, perhaps you should ask him.


352 posted on 04/27/2012 5:16:27 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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