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To: cva66snipe
What does many Jews from many nations living in Jerusalem mean? Is there not a difference between visiting and living there?

LOL you read but cannot see. Pentecost was one of those holy days Jews were called to be in Jerusalem for at least once in a life time pilgrimage and, since it is 50 days after Passover, it makes sense they were "dwelling" and not living. Since they were Jews, if they were living there, why the reference to their countries of origin. They were there on a pilgrimage snipe, thus the reference to their homeland. Since they were from all over, it makes perfect sense they would stay for the both passover and pentecost.

But reading on down the chapter read v 43-47. Now they basically remained in Jerusalem till chapter 8 living among each other in a common community sharing property etc.

and you forget that among those 3000 were Jews who had their permanent residence in Jerusalem and Israel - not all were Jews living out of country.

Look at what transpired in chapter 8. The Apostiles were too later venture out as well.

And NO WHERE does it indicate that the persecution was the result of the Holy Spirit punishing the believers for not going out. Further, there is every reason to believe that others remained with the Apostles. So? The word was already moving out since Pentecost. The bible in no place links that persecution to chastisement from the Spirit.

319 posted on 04/26/2012 8:17:33 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla
LOL you read but cannot see. Pentecost was one of those holy days Jews were called to be in Jerusalem for at least once in a life time pilgrimage and, since it is 50 days after Passover, it makes sense they were "dwelling" and not living. Since they were Jews, if they were living there, why the reference to their countries of origin. They were there on a pilgrimage snipe, thus the reference to their homeland. Since they were from all over, it makes perfect sense they would stay for the both passover and pentecost

Does this then show you the believers intended to go home?

Acts ch 2 V 41Those who believed what Peter said were baptized and added to the church—about three thousand in all. 42They joined with the other believers and devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and fellowship, sharing in the Lord’s Supper and in prayer. 43A deep sense of awe came over them all, and the apostles performed many miraculous signs and wonders. 44And all the believers met together constantly and shared everything they had. 45They sold their possessions and shared the proceeds with those in need. 46They worshiped together at the Temple each day, met in homes for the Lord’s Supper, and shared their meals with great joy and generosity—47all the while praising God and enjoying the goodwill of all the people. And each day the Lord added to their group those who were being saved..

Onward to Acts Ch 4

v 32All the believers were of one heart and mind, and they felt that what they owned was not their own; they shared everything they had. 33And the apostles gave powerful witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and God’s great favor was upon them all. 34There was no poverty among them, because people who owned land or houses sold them 35and brought the money to the apostles to give to others in need. 36For instance, there was Joseph, the one the apostles nicknamed Barnabas (which means “Son of Encouragement”). He was from the tribe of Levi and came from the island of Cyprus. 37He sold a field he owned and brought the money to the apostles for those in need.

Now lets go to Acts chapter six and see what happened.

1But as the believers£ rapidly multiplied, there were rumblings of discontent. Those who spoke Greek complained against those who spoke Hebrew, saying that their widows were being discriminated against in the daily distribution of food. 2So the Twelve called a meeting of all the believers. “We apostles should spend our time preaching and teaching the word of God, not administering a food program,” they said. 3“Now look around among yourselves, brothers, and select seven men who are well respected and are full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom. We will put them in charge of this business. 4Then we can spend our time in prayer and preaching and teaching the word.” 5This idea pleased the whole group, and they chose the following: Stephen (a man full of faith and the Holy Spirit), Philip, Procorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas of Antioch (a Gentile convert to the Jewish faith, who had now become a Christian). 6These seven were presented to the apostles, who prayed for them as they laid their hands on them. 7God’s message was preached in ever-widening circles. The number of believers greatly increased in Jerusalem, and many of the Jewish priests were converted, too.

Then came Stephens arrest. They had not as of yet actually left Jerusalem in the sense we see after Stephens death.

And NO WHERE does it indicate that the persecution was the result of the Holy Spirit punishing the believers for not going out. Further, there is every reason to believe that others remained with the Apostles. So? The word was already moving out since Pentecost. The bible in no place links that persecution to chastisement from the Spirit.

The Bible does link it the persecution too the spreading of The Gospel

How long were the Disciples told to remain in Jerusalem? Acts ch 1 holds the answer.

1Dear Theophilus: In my first book£ I told you about everything Jesus began to do and teach 2until the day he ascended to heaven after giving his chosen apostles further instructions from the Holy Spirit. 3During the forty days after his crucifixion, he appeared to the apostles from time to time and proved to them in many ways that he was actually alive. On these occasions he talked to them about the Kingdom of God. 4In one of these meetings as he was eating a meal with them, he told them, “Do not leave Jerusalem until the Father sends you what he promised. Remember, I have told you about this before. 5John baptized with£ water, but in just a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” The Ascension of Jesus 6When the apostles were with Jesus, they kept asking him, “Lord, are you going to free Israel now and restore our kingdom?” 7“The Father sets those dates,” he replied, “and they are not for you to know.

8But when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, you will receive power and will tell people about me everywhere—in Jerusalem, throughout Judea, in Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

I do not know the full reason for the persecution except it is foretold the believers were to be scattered. Staying in Jerusalem after Pentecost was not the instruction given.

321 posted on 04/26/2012 8:51:19 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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