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To: Cronos
>>Read the bit about honor your father and your mother. Jesus did and does honor His mother...<<

Let’s let Jesus speak for Himself. Jesus didn’t agree that Mary was to be venerated above others.

Jesus disagreed with the words spoken about Mary and said those who believed were the ones who were blessed.

Luke 11:27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Nay rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

The words spoken to Mary were no different then were spoken to Jael in Judges. In fact, Jael was called blessed above women. Mary was called blessed among women.

Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Judges 5:24 Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be,

Those words were also spoken of Noah, Moses, and David.

Further more, when Jesus was a child He rebuked His mother when she went looking for Him. Then you may remember when He made the statement “who is my mother and who are my brethren”.

Mark 3:32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.

33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?

34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

So where is the veneration the Catholics like to bestow?

45 posted on 04/23/2012 2:48:53 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear; Cronos
"Nay rather..."

Sorry Bear, we've been through this before. The Greek word used was μενοῦνγε (menounge). It is used three times in New Testament Scripture; Luke 11:28, Romans 9:20, and Romans 10:18. The closest English idiomatic translation is "of course" or "and even more so".

"The words spoken to Mary were no different then were spoken to Jael in Judges. In fact, Jael was called blessed above women. Mary was called blessed among women."

Been through this one too. The Hebrew word used to describe Jael as blessed was a present tense verb. Jael lived about 1,000 years before Christ. No where does Scripture declare that Jael would remain the most blessed woman to ever live. It simply states that she was the most blessed in Israel at that time.

Idiomatically, when Mary is declared Blessed among women it means that within the group of all women Mary is the blessed one.

49 posted on 04/23/2012 3:12:52 PM PDT by Natural Law (The Pearly Gates are really a servants entrance.)
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