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To: boatbums
"Please don't "snippet" hunt...."

Are you implying that Jesus' message was something other than to love one another and that to hate one another was wrong? If you are then you are reading a different Scripture than I am.

The verse I posted in no contradicts Jesus nor was it presented in a deceptive manner. I only presented the voice of God. The relative postings of other FReepers will have to stand or fall on their own merit.

(side note: I have never before seen a Protestant use the Catholic tactic of posting an entire chapter to refute a verse or two.....well done! Now we just have to work on your conclusions)

257 posted on 04/21/2012 5:18:22 PM PDT by Natural Law (The Pearly Gates are really a servants entrance.)
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To: Natural Law; metmom
Are you implying that Jesus' message was something other than to love one another and that to hate one another was wrong? If you are then you are reading a different Scripture than I am.

Perhaps you need to go back to your post that prompted my comment.

The verse I posted in no contradicts Jesus nor was it presented in a deceptive manner. I only presented the voice of God. The relative postings of other FReepers will have to stand or fall on their own merit.

Here is what you prefaced your snippet with:

All future sins are not reconciled by declaring our Salvation or final judgment would not await any of us. Your interpretation is not substantiated by Scripture or the teachings of the Church from the first Pentecost until today. Indeed, it is Jesus who saves us, but it is we who damn ourselves. "The root of sin is in the heart of man, in our free will. To the eyes of faith no evil is graver than sin and nothing has worse consequences for sinners themselves, for the Church, and for the whole world. We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him, but we cannot love God if we choose to gravely sin against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves. All are called to Salvation and sufficient Grace exists for the Salvation of all, yet all are not saved. To gain Salvation we must cooperate with Grace. Failure, in our thoughts and our words, in what we do and what we fail to to to affirm God and cooperate with His Grace is a sin. Sin is a conscious choice. To choose deliberately, both knowingly it and willingly, something gravely contrary to the divine law and to the ultimate end of man is to commit a mortal sin. This destroys in us the charity without which eternal beatitude is impossible. Sin and the burden of its consequences constantly threaten the gift of unity. Unrepented, it brings eternal death. (Post 221 to Metmom)

Your use of the I John 3:15 was to prove your contention that, as you said, "uprepented sin brings eternal death" and also your Church's teachings about what "cooperating with grace" means. No matter how you slice it, the gospel of the grace of God means that it is by faith in Christ that we are redeemed from the penalty of our sin. His shed blood was the payment God accepted and, when we receive him through faith, we are justified and born again into the family of God. This is the lesson the Apostle John, in his epistle I John, was teaching to believers and admonishing them about living lives of victory over sin. He said, "See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are!" The rest of that chapter is certainly speaking about loving each other and being willing to sacrifice for one another as Christ did for us, but he does not imply that those who are still learning this are somehow in danger of losing their salvation. That is something that false gospels teach - that man must earn his salvation by his deeds rather than by grace through faith.

(side note: I have never before seen a Protestant use the Catholic tactic of posting an entire chapter to refute a verse or two.....well done! Now we just have to work on your conclusions)

Now, see, you've just confirmed what I have suspected all along - you must not read the comments from "Protestants". :o)

272 posted on 04/21/2012 6:47:03 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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