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To: the invisib1e hand

I did. It talks about Gen 3:15 which says “He shall crush your head” and doesn’t say anything about Mary. I was wondering if there was a more obscure reference in Revelation. I did read on where it said that the original Hebrew and Greek also say “He” but the Latin Vulgate said “She” and that the RCC decided to stick with that.

So, thanks for insulting me and then forcing me to look it up so I learned the whole story when I was going to be content to just hear the RC version!


27 posted on 04/13/2012 5:13:26 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92
I did read on where it said that the original Hebrew and Greek also say “He” but the Latin Vulgate said “She” and that the RCC decided to stick with that.

No. The Greek text is not "original," it's as much a translation as the Latin of the Vulgate is. The pronoun in Hebrew is ambiguous.

And in fact the 1999 revision of the Vulgate changes the "she" to masculine/neuter, as my link points out.

29 posted on 04/13/2012 5:16:44 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Bryanw92
So, thanks for insulting me and then forcing me to look it up so I learned the whole story when I was going to be content to just hear the RC version!

This is a bizarre remark -- but whatever. I thought the link provided by Campion was pretty concise.

Here's something for you to ponder: The Lord said to Abraham, "I will make you a great nation..." Well, not exactly: "The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ."

Thus, you see, Abraham and "his seed" are one. In fact, Paul is arguing here that the Lord made the promise to Christ, even though he said it, literally, to Abraham. Abraham and his seed are one, just as Mary and her seed are one.

The links on this thread show it both ways: "She will crush his head" and "He [her offspring or seed]will crush his head"

You're arguing about the difference between an a flower and a bud, straining out the gnat and swallowing the camel.

You might as well face it, for it is a biological fact: No Mary, no Jesus.

44 posted on 04/13/2012 6:33:45 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I think in about 5 - no, 4 - years I'll have had enough.)
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