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To: boatbums

Please stop claiming Catholic “authorities” agree with the Protestant rejection of Mary. You reject Catholic authority, sadly, the Pope and make yourself your own authority.

Mary is the first, she is the “woman” in Genesis 3:15 and the “woman” in Revelation 12. There is a secondary meaning and we see it in Revelation 12, that of the faithful, the Church.

You never did, not a one objecting, explained why the Son called His mother “woman.” Why would Jesus do that? Answer
the question. Men in the Old and the New call other women in Scripture “woman” and so did Our Lord but not their mothers.

This is getting old, you can’t give an answer.

Everything Our Lord stated was perfectly said.


165 posted on 04/17/2012 8:45:23 PM PDT by stpio
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To: stpio
You never did, not a one objecting, explained why the Son called His mother “woman.” Why would Jesus do that? Answer the question. Men in the Old and the New call other women in Scripture “woman” and so did Our Lord but not their mothers. This is getting old, you can’t give an answer. Everything Our Lord stated was perfectly said.

It's not that no one has answered your numerous questions but rather that you do not accept the answers. You have your own ideas and beliefs and those who do not agree with you, you disparage. THAT is what is getting old, stpio.

Why did Jesus call Mary "woman"? First of all, those are the times recorded in Scripture where he used that name, not every time are we told what Jesus called his mother as he was growing up, are we? When he was three, did he call, "Woman!"? I doubt it. So the question must be why in the few times Mary and he are even mentioned in the same passage, he used the term. You say because he was giving us hints that would compliment the other times in Scripture the same word is used and we'd get it that Mary is the woman referenced. The problem with that is, of course, plenty of women in the Bible are addressed as "woman". Should we interpret that to mean ALL those women are also referenced in the Scripture passages such as Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12? Hardly!

What the smart thing to do is to look at passages in their context and think about why certain words were used. When Jesus was preaching one day, a woman in the crowd yelled out, "Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked." (Luke 11:27) That would have been a perfect time for Jesus to introduce his mother and brag on her, don't you think? But what did he say? "Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it." "Rats!", Stpio says, "Why didn't Jesus do what I think he should have done and tell everybody how they need to worship Mary too and pray to her because she could save them?". Get over it, he didn't and the reason is because Mary is not who we should worship or pray to nor count on to save us. It is only Jesus that can do that and he alone deserves all praise and glory and honor.

So, why do I think Jesus called Mary "woman" in front of others? I think it goes back to that time in Luke 11 when maybe the first person came up with the idea to prop up Jesus' mother and, rather than agree with them, he wanted them to understand that ALL believers are equal in his eyes.

In Matthew 12, we are told of another occasion where Mary and Jesus' brothers and sisters were outside where he was preaching and they wanted to talk to him. Someone said to Jesus, "Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee." (Matthew 12:47) Wouldn't that be a good time to exalt his mother and family before the people just so they could "get it" that Mary was to be the "Queen of Heaven" and they should worship and adore her? But what did Jesus say? "But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother". Do you get it now? Jesus called his mother woman not because he was disrespecting her, but rather to demonstrate he did not have "favorites" and all were equal in his eyes. He is Almighty God incarnate, he existed before Mary was born. She was certainly blessed to be chosen to have the honor of bearing the Messiah, but she was not worthy to be worshiped. Through Jesus Christ were ALL things created and without Him was not anything made that was made. (John 1) He is Mary's creator, she gave birth to his incarnation. His incarnation had a beginning, but not his deity - He always was and always will be. Scripture says that all generations will call her blessed, and she was and is, but she is still a redeemed human being who was saved by the blood of Jesus Christ shed for all sin. It is because of this Jesus is:

Then Jesus came to them and said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me’” (Matthew 28:18).

“And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy” (Colossians 1:18).

“He will rule them with an iron scepter; he will dash them to pieces like pottery’—just as I have received authority from my Father” (Revelation 2:27, Jesus quoting Psalm 2:8-9).

“in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way” (Ephesians 1:20-23).

God “has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe” (Hebrews 1:2).

“‘you crowned him with glory and honor and put everything under his feet.’ In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him” (Hebrews 2:7-8).

171 posted on 04/17/2012 10:17:19 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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