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To: Just mythoughts

I don’t see anything in any of the scriptures you’ve listed where one could infer neither a Genesis 1:2 flood nor long ages. I admit some scriptures are veiled to vex the unbelievers and to cause the believers to meditate on that which may, at first, seem puzzling. I could agree that it is unknown how much time transpired from creation week until biting on the forbidden fruit, but one would think that would be a very short elapsed time indeed.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, we must never ‘add to nor subtract from’ [Rev 22:11] - from the Holy Scriptures that which is simply not there.

2 Peter 3 (King James Version)

“1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying , Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep , all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of , that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished : 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store , reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish , but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat , the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up . 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved , what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved , and the elements shall melt with fervent heat ? 13 Nevertheless we , according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest , as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before , beware lest ye also , being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever . Amen. “

For me the best swag [scientific wild-a— guess] for ‘long ages’ as they appear with sunlight and radio isotopes are simply apparent ages that are leftover fingerprints of the singularity event of the creation week:

Whereby Natural Law was either put aside on hold or had not yet been effected in order to accomplish the supernatural events of the 6 day expansion of everything out of nothing [ex nihilo].

Each day then could give the appearance of long ages ~ say 3.5 to 4 billion years apparent age for day 1 and each subsequent day resulting in half again apparent age to result in roughly 13.7 to 15.7 billion years of elapsed apparent ‘long’ ages.

After all, the various creatures would need to also be in a mature age-state in order to be fruitful and multiply. The chicken or the egg question had to be the chicken b/c ‘eggs’ don’t hatch and raise themselves w/o proper care.


144 posted on 03/29/2012 6:03:13 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: Just mythoughts

oops

Let’s say 7 to 8 billion years of elapsed apparent age for day 1;

day 2 ~ 3.5 to 4 billion years

and so on thru 6 days...


145 posted on 03/30/2012 5:21:28 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels
I don’t see anything in any of the scriptures you’ve listed where one could infer neither a Genesis 1:2 flood nor long ages. I admit some scriptures are veiled to vex the unbelievers and to cause the believers to meditate on that which may, at first, seem puzzling. I could agree that it is unknown how much time transpired from creation week until biting on the forbidden fruit, but one would think that would be a very short elapsed time indeed.

Genesis 1:2 AND the earth *became* ( I am NOT adding *became*, because that is what the verb should literally be.) without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. (deep what?)

AND the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the WATERS.

Genesis 1:2 is describing the condition the earth became. When exactly we are not told how long ago this upheaval took place. Now the English translation that gave us without form means 'waste', and The Heavenly Father had Isaiah definitely address the condition the earth was created. Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD That created the heavens; God Himself That formed the earth and made it; HE hath established it, He created it NOT in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD;

and there is none other.

19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth:

I said unto the seed of Jacob, 'Seek ye Me in vain:' I the LORD speak of righteousness, I declare things that are right....

MOST IMPORTANTLY, we must never ‘add to nor subtract from’ [Rev 22:11] - from the Holy Scriptures that which is simply not there.

Actually it is Revelation 22:18-19 wherein the commandment is given to NOT add and NOT take away from the words of the prophecy. Ignoring what is Written would be subtracting. And Revelation 22:18-19 is not the first place this commandment was given. Moses penned it first in Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word with I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. and Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

2 Peter 3 (King James Version) “1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying , Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep , all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of , that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished : 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store , reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish , but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat , the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up . 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved , what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved , and the elements shall melt with fervent heat ? 13 Nevertheless we , according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest , as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before , beware lest ye also , being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever . Amen. “

Verse 5 of IIPeter means now what it meant when Peter was inspired to write it down... For this they willingly are ignorant of,

that by the word of God the heavens were of OLD, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: (Genesis 1:2 deep .... what? WATER!!!)

6 Whereby the world that then WAS, being overflowed with water, perished:

This is NOT talking about Noah's flood because every time Noah's flood is discussed, described or mentioned there is the notation of 8 souls saved.

Jeremiah 4: beginning in verse 22 gets to the 'heart' of level of understanding what took place in Genesis 1:2

22 For My people is foolish, they have not known ME: they are sottish children, (sottish means stupid)and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Knowledge about what? verse 23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was *without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

25 I beheld, and, lo, there was NO man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by His fierce anger.

27For thus hath the LORD said, "The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

For me the best swag [scientific wild-a— guess] for ‘long ages’ as they appear with sunlight and radio isotopes are simply apparent ages that are leftover fingerprints of the singularity event of the creation week: Whereby Natural Law was either put aside on hold or had not yet been effected in order to accomplish the supernatural events of the 6 day expansion of everything out of nothing [ex nihilo]. Each day then could give the appearance of long ages ~ say 3.5 to 4 billion years apparent age for day 1 and each subsequent day resulting in half again apparent age to result in roughly 13.7 to 15.7 billion years of elapsed apparent ‘long’ ages. After all, the various creatures would need to also be in a mature age-state in order to be fruitful and multiply. The chicken or the egg question had to be the chicken b/c ‘eggs’ don’t hatch and raise themselves w/o proper care.

Well don't forget the 'creation' was told to *replenish* Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and *replenish* the earth, and subdue it:..... this word 'replenish' gets the same disregard and treatment by the majority as that word Paul uses .... predestination/predestinated. Sure would not want to add to or take away.

147 posted on 03/30/2012 9:58:26 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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