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To: MarkBsnr
Harley-If Adam and Eve did not have the capacity to sin, they would never have sinned. If Christ did not have the capacity to sin, He could never have been the perfect sacrifice.

Mark-Oh boy, we part company here. Adam and Eve were created sinless and it was introduced to them by the serpent. I will object strenuously to your claim that Christ had the capacity to sin

Harley,be careful, your dragging up old heresies that have been condemned and are NOT Christian.

The Fifth General Council of Constantinople (553) condemned the teaching of Theodor of Mopsuestia, which asserted that Christ only became completely impeccable after the resurrection . It follows from this that He was already impeccable.

Excerpts from the 5th Council Of Constantinople..

Can. 12. If anyone defends the impious Theodore of Mopsuestia, who said that one was God the Word, and another the Christ, who was troubled by the sufferings of the soul and the longings of the flesh, and who gradually separated Himself from worse things, and was improved by the progress of His works, and rendered blameless by this life, so as to be baptized as mere man in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and on account of the baptism received the grace of the Holy Spirit, and was deemed worthy of adoption as a son, and according to the likeness of the royal image is worshipped in the person of God the Word, and after the resurrection became unchangeable in thoughts and absolutely unerring, and again the same impious Theodore having said that the union of God the Word with the Christ was such as the Apostle (spoke of) with reference to man and woman: "They shall be two in one flesh"[Eph. 5:31]; and in addition to his other innumerable blasphemies, dared to say that after the resurrection, the Lord when He breathed on His disciples and said:"Receive ye the holy ghost"[Is. 20:22], did not give them the Holy Spirit, but breathed only figuratively. But this one, too, said that the confession of Thomas on touching the hands and the side of the Lord, after the resurrection, " My Lord and my God"[Is.. 20:28], was not said by Thomas concerning Christ, but that Thomas, astounded by the marvel of the resurrection, praised God for raising Christ from the dead;

http://www.catecheticsonline.com/SourcesofDogma3.php

595 posted on 04/15/2012 3:11:02 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi; MarkBsnr
Harley,be careful, your dragging up old heresies that have been condemned and are NOT Christian. The Fifth General Council of Constantinople (553) condemned the teaching of Theodor of Mopsuestia

This is a grave misunderstanding of what I am stating and the nature of Christ. Please note what the Council condemned:

Theodore of Mopsuestia, who said that one was God the Word, and another the Christ, who was troubled by the sufferings of the soul and the longings of the flesh

I'm not stating anything at all. I'm saying that our Lord Jesus in His humanity follow the will of God so completely and fully that He never was "troubled" in His soul or had "longings". His will was to do the will of the Father, which is precisely what our Lord did. He was totally submissive to the Father's will led by the Spirit-even unto death-perfect and complete in every way.

So that makes one wonder about "free will". If our Lord Jesus followed the Father's will totally and completely, is anyone here willing to state that the Lord Jesus was a robot? And since this was predestined from the beginning wouldn't that mean that Christ was choosen? And as far as free will goes, would the thought of longing of the flesh enter into His mind and He would "freely" choose to be led by the Spirit? I would stipulate that those who believe in "free will" are really the ones who are committing the heresy of Theodore of Mopsuestia.

597 posted on 04/18/2012 5:57:26 PM PDT by HarleyD
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