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To: MarkBsnr
Why do you think I am "cheapening the ministry of the other Apostles"? When nothing could be further from the truth.

I think this here is where our problem is: Does your Church believe and teach Millenialism? That Christ is literally going to return to this earth and reign for 1000 years? And that Christ promised the 12 Apostles that they would be sitting on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel when He sets up His Kingdom? And one more thing, does your Church teach and believe you are spiritual Israel?

ALL of these things matter in our discussions. Because if you believe you are spiritual Israel, then you MUST believe that the twelve Apostles will be judging you, spiritual Israel. And if you do not believe in the literal Millenial reign of Christ on this earth, then Israel as a real Nation, called by God, given covenants by God and a future Nation of priests and a blessing to all Gentile nations means nothing to you. If you believe that you are spiritual Israel, then the calling and commission of Paul mean nothing in the forming of the Church the Body of Christ, which is located in the heavenlies, in Christ. Our inheritance is different than Israel's inheritance. One is heavenly, the other is earthly. Of course the coming of Christ for His Body (the rapture) doesn't make any sense to your Church, why would it?

Peter and the 11 had a specific calling to Israel and Messiah. Paul had a specific calling to the Gentiles and the Church the Body of Christ. The foundation of BOTH is Christ. He is the chief cornerstone. Paul is no greater than Peter or John or James. But NONE is greater than Christ. He is the one who died for our sins. He is our Redeemer. And He is the author and finisher of our faith. But at the same time, Peter is no greater than Paul. They had different missions and callings. Both by Christ and both for God's purposes. Christ words and revelations to Paul as His words were to Peter and the 11. They are CHRIST'S WORDS. It seems to me that it is Paul's ministry that is cheapened by those who insist that the words of the risen Christ are of lesser value than Christ's earthly ministry.

217 posted on 03/22/2012 6:49:28 PM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice
Why do you think I am "cheapening the ministry of the other Apostles"? When nothing could be further from the truth.

It is the truth. Your posts treat the Twelve rather shabbily, as if they contributed nothing other than to pad out the Gospels, which you come across as believing inconsequential. You dwell on Paul's contributions almost exclusively and have made it known that you believe that the Gospels were to the Jews only and true Christians were to pay attention to Paul's works primarily.

I think this here is where our problem is: Does your Church believe and teach Millenialism?

Recite the Lord's Prayer and see.

Our inheritance is different than Israel's inheritance. One is heavenly, the other is earthly. Of course the coming of Christ for His Body (the rapture) doesn't make any sense to your Church, why would it?

Fantasy made up over the last 200 years doesn't interest the Church.

Peter and the 11 had a specific calling to Israel and Messiah. Paul had a specific calling to the Gentiles and the Church the Body of Christ.

Both were disobedient to their callings, weren't they?

They are CHRIST'S WORDS. It seems to me that it is Paul's ministry that is cheapened by those who insist that the words of the risen Christ are of lesser value than Christ's earthly ministry.

Only by those who think that Christ is the forerunner of Paul. Your misintepretations of Paul do not agree with 2000 years of Christianity. Paul spent little time with the Gentiles, yet you insist on calling him Apostle to the Gentiles. Isn't it possible that he was wearing his salesman's hat when he said that?

242 posted on 03/23/2012 5:24:24 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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