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To: trailhkr1
"Never happen in the real world with 99.998% of people."

I don't recall Jesus taking any polling data before he issued His commands. The position of the Church is not to conform to the popular and fashionable, but to the truth.

"So a woman or man who was cheated upon or beat up can never marry again or find love in your mind?"

The bottom line is that the institution of marriage, and with it our country and culture, has already been severely damaged by the secular culture. As a culture we enter into marriage far too casually and often for the wrong reasons. Everyone has an obligation to themselves and their future children to thoroughly check out their future spouse to see if they have a proper values; if they have a history of cheating and abuse; or any addictions or personality issues.

Do you want to know the number of couples I know who are having problems with a marriage to someone who had previous marriages? Who met their spouse in a bar or a club? Who started dating when the other person was still married? Who cohabitated before marriage? Who had no problem helping their spouse to cheat on a previous spouse but then acts completely surprised when that same person cheats on them? who knows about previous children but has an absolute fit if the child support cuts into their life style? How many people do you know that make the suitability of parenting skills and commitment to potential children a major component of acceptability of their future spouse?

Do you want to hear the number of times I have heard the reason for a spouse wanting a divorce is because "I'm just not happy" and puts their own undefined search for happiness over that of their spouse and children? How many divorced couples do everything in their power to belittle and undermine their ex to the children is some kind of tug-o-war? Do you want to hear the number of times I have heard divorced and those contemplating divorce rationalize that kids don’t need both a mother and a father or have fallen for the false secular idea of sainthood as being a struggling single mom? How many people do you see that effectively believe that they can divorce their children too? That believe that their current family takes precedent and priority over their obligations to children from previous marriages?

Yes, too many families have been broken and too many children damaged and shaped by divorce and remarriage.

65 posted on 03/16/2012 2:51:01 PM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Natural Law

I agree, wholeheartedly!

In a nutshell:

SIN COMPLICATES THINGS!

God does not give us instruction to be mean, cruel, and controlling—

He is trying to protect us!


67 posted on 03/16/2012 3:01:59 PM PDT by davandbar
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To: Natural Law

I find myself most moved by your points. If marriage is to mean anything from a rational point of view it must be centered upon children, and thus also from a practical point of view be as indivisible as it originality claims to be.

This is what I would call the “scientific/logical reasoning” point of view.

That still leaves the religious point of view.


73 posted on 03/16/2012 4:59:20 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Natural Law; Salvation; Monorprise; All
NL

You have a black and white view towards divorce when in fact it is a gray area.

Everyone has an obligation to themselves and their future children to thoroughly check out their future spouse to see if they have a proper values; if they have a history of cheating and abuse; or any addictions or personality issues.

I agree 100% but it is not 100% fullproof. Some people are master hiders and their spouse does not see the true them until after marriage. People also change, many times years after the marriage took place. My best friend who I have known since 5th grade was arrested for spousal abuse last fall. I have never seen this in him even when we double dated and I know his past gf's and there was never any indication he did stuff like this. A year and a half ago his wife came around with a broken arm and said they were "wrestling" on the ground and everyone believed it. Well last fall she was running down the street at 1:30 am with a broken jaw and nose. I have never seen this in my best friend and he goes to church nearly every week. BTW his dad is very religious and gives the opening prayer at the local Tea Party rally-they are avery good family.

Look at all the pastors who have been caught cheating, were found to have gay lovers etc. Where their spouses doing a crappy job of vetting their partners?

If your daughter or grandaughter were in a marriage where they literally where having the shiite beat out of them would you not tell them to leave the abusive husband-what if your gaughter or grandaughter was in a hospital bed with a broken jaw and a smashed nose? And would you tell them they had to be a lone the rest of their lives and their next marriage(to a good man) was not kosher in God's eyes. If so I really pity them.

The Loving God I know would never want a spouse to be in a terrible marriage where that person was terrorized or beat up.

And don't tell they should work things out. Any women who is beat by her husband needs to leave asap and never look back. There is no excuse for that behavior.

Yes, too many families have been broken and too many children damaged and shaped by divorce and remarriage.

I agree 100%.

Your views are why people my generation are leaving the Catholic church in droves and to be honest you have a perverse view if not just plain wicked of this matter.

No sane person would have their daughter stay in a abusive relationship.

90 posted on 03/18/2012 1:45:17 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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