Just the graven ones.....
Why not adopt early American Puritan attitudes:
Posted on 03/11/2012 4:27:55 PM PDT by Heart-Rest
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Immediately destroy all pictures of your mom, dog, fish, in fact all pictures lest you are accused of worshiping them....pathetic
Just the graven ones.....
Mind you, you’d arrive as meat paste. That is a vicious acceleration.
You have the patience of a saint, but there’s a point where it’s about the same as arguing with Ignatius J. Reilly. At some point after reading about the sun basketball virgins I was shocked not to hear him go on about Greyhound Scenicruisers
Well on this one I may have to side with the loons; I mean, who takes pictures of their fish?
I understand, best to cut and run once it's clear you're hopelessly losing - but it's still amusing.
Real end of conversation.
What an idiotic statement.
I explained to you, at length, why evolutionism is totally irrational, and linked to an article that put the argument much better than I ever could (which you never even bothered to click on). You responded not a word. Not one.
So, you think it "increases" G-d's glory to employ secondary means to accomplish things? What secondary means did he employ to impregnate the virgin? To raise the dead? What secondary means did Mary employ to play basketball with the sun?
Oh no, there was no secondary means employed here. Only with ex nihilation does G-d supposedly employ secondary means for His "greater glory."
You, sir or madam, are so brainwashed you can't think. Farewell.
I was told to get out because I believed Genesis 1-11 was literal history.
The other opinions I express show my utter frustration at Catholics' hypocrisy in accepting any "miracle" under the sun other than the events of Genesis 1-11.
Immediately destroy all pictures of your mom, dog, fish, in fact all pictures lest you are accused of worshiping them....pathetic
Oh dear, does that include Pro/Engineer 3D models and parts drawings? That's going to make it tough communicating to our suppliers. I'll call up Ford right now and get them to remove all images of their vehicles from their websites, dealerships and brochures.
On the other hand, I suppose that Playboy will go out of business (unless people really do read it for the articles).
>> “Odd. I’ve been the one posting in-context Scripture with references to Apostolic teachings and early Church beliefs.” <<
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Exactly, no scripture, plus men’s attempt to cancel scripture and that is a rejection of God’s word. You never put a single line of relevent, contextual scripture in any post.
Calling a man ‘priest,’ or father, is a grievous sin.
Repitive prayers to dead men are also.
Praying before idols such as statues or pictures is also.
‘Crossing’ yourself and kneeling before such is too.
Everything distinctly “catholic” is a stench in the nostrils of YHVH. (although it pleases satan)
Just the graven ones.....
Why not adopt early American Puritan attitudes:
You do know that your position is not incompatible with Catholic Doctrine and that your counselor was in no way speaking for the Church, don't you?
I don't want to turn this thread into another Creationist vs Evolutionist debate, only to show that your contempt of the Church is not well founded. The Church does does teach ex nihilo creation and rejects the abiogenetic creation of man. In 1986 Pope John Paul II expressed the Church's position as this:
"the theory of natural evolution, understood in a sense that does not exclude divine causality, is not in principle opposed to the truth about creation. . . .as presented in the Book of Genesis. . . .It must, however, be added that this hypothesis proposes only a probability, not a scientific certainty. . . .
I was reading 1 Kings this morning and I had to wonder how the first Temple was built without any drawings or images. I also wondered how the loophole was found to permit the engravings of cherubim, palm trees, and open flowers and how the massive olive wood statues of the cherubim were permitted. Makes you go hhhhmmmmmmmmm.
I know that in theory young earth creationism is permitted (along with theistic evolution), but in practice it is regarded as a sign of disloyalty to the Catholic Church and of incipient Protestantism. I also know that Protestant "higher criticism" has been seized on by Catholic apologeticists as a way to discredit sola scriptura
With very few exceptions every Catholic (and Orthodox) on this forum is an evolutionist, including yourself. If a Catholic posts a creationist article by a Catholic creationist he/she is immediately pounced on by his/her co-religionists for "misrepresenting the teachings of the Catholic Church," even though this belief is theoretically permitted. Only defenses of theistic evolutionism are treated as "authentic Catholic teaching."
I hope you realize that I do not approach this issue from the perspective that most do. For me it is solely about the veracity of the Written Word of G-d. Genesis 1-11 has to be as historically true as every other part of the Written Word of G-d or G-d would not have written it. Plus the very idea of G-d having to employ "secondary causes" in order to create the universe when He needs no such thing for any other miracle is simply ridiculous.
Certainly, those who want to be offended can always find a reason to be. Your problem appears to be with certain Catholics, but you blame the entire Church. Why is that?
Catholic Freepers steadfastly proclaim in these threads that "practice" by Catholics does not set dogma or doctrine. I have even stated that even if 99.9% of Catholics practice birth control that does not mean that the Church endorses it.
I suspect that the issue is bigger than the interpretation of the first 11 books of Genesis. Creation is simply a convenient surrogate.
I suspect that your real issue is with the authority of the Magisterium and your confidence that you can infallibly interpret Scripture for yourself. If you were as orthodox a literalist as you profess then you would be a Cathlolic because of the Revelation regarding the Real Presence and the formation and governance of the Church. You certainly would not blaspheme the Virgin Birth by using terms like "magic babies".
I do not believe in sola scriptura and I acknowledge and submit to an authoritative oral interpretive tradition. It just isn't yours.
If you were as orthodox a literalist as you profess then you would be a Cathlolic because of the Revelation regarding the Real Presence and the formation and governance of the Church. You certainly would not blaspheme the Virgin Birth by using terms like "magic babies".
You forget that I was Catholic for six years. Only G-d and I know how hard I tried to conform to the Church. But every time I picked up a Catholic publication, magazine, book, newspaper, tract, etc., I saw articles attacking my belief in the literal truth of Genesis 1-11 as "Protestant." Too bad those publications couldn't attack abortion and homosexuality with the same enthusiasm.
Would it help you at all if I told you that over a period of years I corresponded about four times with the late Archbishop Whelan of Hartford, CT? He was an enthusiastic anti-literalist who kept telling me how much "joy" I would find as I allowed the Church to guide me away from an "always literal" interpretation. This is the same jerk who filed amicus curae briefs with the ACLU against "creation science" in public schools.
I will keep on ridiculing "magic babies" and every other miracle hypocrites believe in while ridiculing me for my belief in the literal historical truth of Genesis 1-11. Deal with it.
Mocking me or the Church hurts neither me nor the Church, but it does harm to you.
I do not enter into arguments between other FReepers, nor do I care what is said by the antiCatholics here. I am not hurt and am only rarely angered by the names and such meant to demean that are bandied about here. This is a free will site where people adhering to the ground rules may say pretty much whatever they wish.
I don’t condemn protestants for their attacks, though once or twice some have seemed especially vicious and thus I felt the need to call them out for those.
I also rarely defend other Catholics for their interactions with other posters here as I know there is a long history between some of them and I am not responsible for the actions of either side of those arguments or the contentiousness in their relationships.
I don’t need links to any attacks as I am well aware of those on both sides. I offered no double standard regarding them.
I stand by what I said. If one has questions or arguments regarding the Catholic faith, and they are presented in a respectful way and with dignity toward the Catholic, those questions will be answered and discussed in a like manner, without any sort of attack.
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