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IT DEPENDS ENTIRELY

On the heart attitude, the spirit such things are done in.

The exact same behaviors can be IN THE SPIRIT or IN THE FLESH depending.

This issue seems to be on what is a real critical issue in terms of spiritual growth and maturity for all of us. About the time we think we understand it--get it--the next lesson begins in another area and we realize we are back in kindergarten on it.

I don't have any confidence that my humble words can influence y'all's understanding on such scores in the least. If Holy Spirit doesn't make the principles and truths real to you, I have no other solution.

I just know what the Biblical truth is on such scores in terms of my own life and experiences through many painful lessons.

And that, Quix, is the bottom line. The Holy Spirit DOES His job but not everyone has ears to hear. They need to keep going around the mountain on the potters wheel until their preconceived worldly ideas are taken out/burnt off so they can hear what HE IS saying.

Some are hell bent they are right - hardened heart - so the HS can't enlighten them on certain things they don't know. So you are right, we can't do a thing.

This is no biggie - speaking in tongues. They don't have to do it but get to do it. However, through this I have seen you ridiculed, talked down to with a critical spirit, questioning you about your own affairs, your students.

And to another poster, ridiculed and snarkiness when he took his/her time to explained things. The HS could have been speaking through someone and they wouldn't know it, thus not receive it.

Pointing out in others, what they perceived as flaws 'feels' better because 'they know'. Lots of stuff for the refiners fire to be burned off.

So a bigger issue was manifested here. And perhaps, why, they don't hear the HS - hardened heart, hardened soil so it can't take the seed in to eventually have fruit.

"You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks".