As I've documented in some detail, that is a THOROUGHLY INACCURATE ASSERTION.
Which demonstrates again how silly it is for me to try and respond rationally to a list of folks on the thread, when my words are soooooo off the wall misrepresented.
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Posted on 03/09/2012 10:46:28 AM PST by Quix
I'm a bit loathe to wade into such again. However, The Lord HAS brought to my awareness a couple of things this past week that kind of goad me into posting. I'm MORE loathe to allow Holy Spirit to go unrepresented on such scores on FR after the recent thrashing His works received on that other locked thread.
I'm NOT interested in going around and around with the more irrationally and unBiblically harsh posters on that other thread. They will likely arrive and rant as they did on that thread. I may or may not respond with pics and gifs. I don't plan to engage them with yet more futile words.
And, the chronically, habitually, generally carpy naysayers can just go suck rock candy or lolly pops. Their reaping is already scheduled. If they want to earn more of such from The Lord, that's their business.
I know the authenticity of Holy Spirit's gifts and workings in my own life. I have to be responsible to His interactions with me and leadings of me in my own life. And, as I feel led, to speak up in behalf of His gifts in this era.
I don't feel responsible to try and bore a hole and pour it in. And, I am not inclined to get two bricks and try and make the camel drink water. Doesn't work with women anyway.
That said . . .
I learned this week that the wife of a close relative of mine was miraculously healed in a Kenneth Copeland service. She had a serious case of . . . [serious]. . . cancer in advanced stages and was not expected to live. Her blood count was 5 but I don't know what aspect of her blood count was 5. Maybe I'll find out and post it later.
My relative had escorted her to the front row where she sat, unable to stand and looking like 'death warmed over' in extreme weakness.
Kenneth instructed his wife Gloria to go down and lay hands on her. She was immediately and totally healed. She went to the Doc for an already scheduled appointment the next day. He said there was no sign of cancer anywhere in her body and that he was dumfounded as he was never wrong.
As I understand it, the medical verification documentation is quite conclusive. She may even publish it all in her own narrative in due course. I'm not inclined to give more info for my privacy.
I think I learned that this last Tuesday evening.
Last Wednesday evening at church, Pastor related the following narrative.
She had been on a mission trip to Guatemala. In one of their gatherings in one of the poorest churches--a ramshackle tin building affair . . . a local church member began to give a message in tongues. This person had never learned English at all.
The woman spoke quite clear English and told of how God was going to give them a newer larger building much better for their church.
The woman had no idea what she had said. When Pastor's team told her what she'd said, she broke down almost in convulsions for joy and in humility over the Lord using her so to bring such a longed for message to her congregation. As I understand it, that did then transpire exactly as she'd declared in a language she did not know.
On the same mission trip, they went to a very wealthy church led by a Pastor who lived in a wealthy home with marble walls etc. Pastor visited the man's opulent home.
Holy Spirit spoke to Pastor and told her that the man was having an affair with his secretary and that Pastor must confront him and call him to repentance. Pastor has a very powerful prophetic gifting though is not per se a prophet.
Pastor told their local tour guide who was in personal relationship with all the pastors of the churches they visited--including this wealthy one. She replied to Pastor: "You'd better be right!"
Pastor confronted him and he admitted it. He did not repent but justified it with sleezey rationalizing that he was 'supposed to love the sheep.'
I felt when Pastor related the story that the man has since, rather soon after that, died but I haven't verified that even with Pastor. She may not know.
AMEN!!! AMEN!!!
He overcame because of the Words he spoke, and because he is the Word made flesh.
AMEN!! Words have power - Speak The Word...
just on this thread there have been multiple posts that are convinced that God does not heal and declare anyone that claims that He does is a heretic! That is not an environment that builds faith because faith comes from hearing God's Word.
WELL SAID!!
EXCELLENT POST!! And it sounds like we have the same TEACHER!!
This will most likely be my last post on this thread.
Yep. I know what you mean.
THANK YOU!
As I've documented in some detail, that is a THOROUGHLY INACCURATE ASSERTION.
Which demonstrates again how silly it is for me to try and respond rationally to a list of folks on the thread, when my words are soooooo off the wall misrepresented.
Words such as "false" "wrong" "error" do not attribute motive.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Your classroom doesn't have the critical spirit in it like here which brings on confusion. Seems post after post is making this thread about you, making it personal. Interesting but not really.
Back to your cousin, let me know if she gets a book together. I'm sure Copeland with be featured in it as God used him.
God is good ALL THE TIME!!
Televangelists tell viewers to expect miracles if they send money.
The group’s newly released 2010 Internal Revenue Service filing lists an additional 25 employees earning more than $150,000, among them Cerullo’s wife, son, daughter.
Inspiration said it follows established guidelines for nonprofit wages and that Mr. Cerullo’s pay is determined largely by an independent committee that makes recommendations to the broadcaster’s board based on studies of similar entities, such as cable networks, media companies, and national ministries.
A 2009 Charlotte Observer investigation found that Cerullo was the best paid leader of any religious charity tracked by watchdog groups.
Rusty Leonard, CEO of Ministry Watch, says the new figures suggest that hasn't changed. "There's no doubt (Cerullo's) compensation is out of bounds," said Leonard, whose group profiles Christian organizations to help prospective donors.
As revenue and salaries at the nonprofit have risen, Inspiration has also won its quest for a major tax break on its campus in Lancaster County.
In 2010, following an appeal by the broadcaster, the S.C. Department of Revenue agreed to declare all but 2 percent of the property tax-exempt. That reversed a 2009 decision in which the state denied Inspiration's bid for tax exemption.
The department's latest ruling delivered another blow to economically struggling Lancaster County, costing the county more than $500,000 in annual property tax revenue. From 2008 to 2010, the network's revenue rose by 30 percent. But Cerullo's total compensation grew at an even faster pace, IRS returns show. Read more here: http://www.heraldonline.com/2012/03/11/3810026/indian-land-evangelists-compensation.html#storylink=cpy
I think that these types of "minsters" will have much to answer to God for - not only their fleecing of the flock but their false and accursed Gospel.
GOOD POINT.
THX THX.
That reminds me of my brother when we were growing up. That shadow part in the pix, he did it often. He, being the clown in family, we were always laughing together. Thank God my family laughed a lot, God put me in the right family!!
"A cheerful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones" Proverbs 17:22
You made excellent points. Well said.
INDEED.
THX THX.
Also, I think we would see a tremendous growth in our faith if we were more like Job who said, “Though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him.”
There are extremes on both sides, and Copeland and company are one side.
Requiring that speaking in tongues is necessary to be saved is as wrong as dogmatically holding that any who do speak in tongues are not saved.
As regards the latter, the characteristics which Paul taught would accompany the coming of that which is perfect (1Cor. 13:10-13) are not now yet fully realized, as despite a having wholly inspired revelation we still do not see face to face, but when the perfect revelation of Christ comes, then we shall know even as we are known.
“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. “ (1 John 3:2)
But gifts are gifts = chrisms- and chrisms do not equal character, which is the more primary issue, and like any tool, character determines whether it will used or abused, the latter being predominate with tongues me thinks, besides other buses of so many so-called “faith teachers.”
“And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. “ (1 Corinthians 13:13)
Have a God night.
OUCH!! Did you hear that ‘crack’. Wonder if he was knocked out? Hopefully, it was his microphone that hit the pole.
HEADLINES: REPORTER Knocked to Ground Talking to Lawyer
And so will the flock. For NOT studying the Scriptures daily, "to see if those things were so" and following the words of haughty men instead of God's Word of truth. Ignorance will be no excuse in that day. And God help the man or woman who was warned by believers with all longsuffering and doctrine, praying them in Christ's stead to search the Scriptures for the truth. Once they've heard, they can never claim they didn't know. It is, at that point, willfull disobedience to God and His admonition to us to study His word in order to be approved workmen for Him, who will not be ashamed when they stand before Him.
I haven't checked his site. Wondering, did you and that's where you got that statement from or did someone else say it/spin it that way.
EXCELLENT POINTS.
That's what I think is happening on these threads and I, personally, would like to see it stop and let it be a place where we can discuss ANY issue without resorting to insults. As we can see, that definitely doesn't make an edifying place to be. At the end of it all, we SHOULD be able to all stay FRiends and accept our differences - especially on what we have admitted are nonessential salvation doctrines. Burned bridges can sometimes never be rebuilt. Though, with God, all things are possible.
and won't be....as is the habit for those who cannot defy the truth when it's spoken. They can however get snarky, avoid, mis-direct, blame, mope and claim victimhood and a host of other tactics to not face what's before them. .......'truth' stands in their way...and that is not something which they are seeking.
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