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To: Colofornian; JustSayNoToNannies; PetroniusMaximus
I mean how long have you had this problem in understanding basic words such as "past" and "now?"

Did I give you some reason to be rude with me?

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some apostles, and some prophets, and other some evangelists, and other some pastors and doctors

"Gave" - past tense

And yet, there were prophets in the New Testament. In fact, St Peter says in Acts 2:17-18 that God will pour out His Spirit on all flesh in the last days and sons and daughters shall prophesy. Named prophets of the New Testament include the Prophets of Antioch (Acts 13:1,8), Agabus, the daughters of the Evangelist Philip (Acts 21:9), Judas and Silas (Acts 15:32). Let's also not forget St John, the author of the Revelation who foretold what must come to pass.

The difference between the OT & NT is "title" vs. "gift."

With how many exceptions? Those mentioned above (except perhaps for the daughters of Philip who are only said to "prophesy" not be prophets and St John who fulfills the role of prophet without specifically claiming the title) certainly were given the title by Scripture.

The Holy Spirit gives gifts; and He may dismiss gifts. Nobody necessarily has any ongoing title any longer as "prophet" -- lest He be in competition with THE Living Prophet -- THE Living Revelation -- Jesus Christ. That is the plain meaning of Heb. 1:1-2.

Really? Hebrews simply said that God spoke to the fathers through the prophets but to them, He spoke through His Son, Jesus Christ. I would consider that a note of the obvious for setting up what follows, not some new revelation that Christ is currently speaking in their ears. Christ came in the flesh and sent them into the world to teach, preach and baptize. If you went on to verse 3, you would note that Christ is now sitting on the right hand of God in Heaven.

The beginning of the Book of Hebrews is setting up the superiority of the revelation they have been given personally by Christ over the second-hand revelation of the Old Testament through the prophets. It makes special emphasis in showing the incompleteness and weakness of the Old Covenant in contrast with the Messianic salvation that is realized in the New Covenant.

Btw, the Holy Spirit speaks at times thru all believers -- not just those with a "prophetic" gift.

Since you've come into a discussion of Sola Scriptura with this side argument, I would like a Scripture citation, please.

Oh, and btw, Roman Catholicism also tries to prop up special men as "priests" ... when the Bible makes it clear that there is now a "priesthood of all believers" (1 Peter 2:4-9; Rev. 1:6).

Our priesthood is through our membership in the Body of Christ. We share in His Priesthood as we share in His inheritance. And yet, in the Body, we still have our separate callings. Would you say there is a difference between an Apostle and the person to whom he preaches? Do they have different functions in this Body? The priesthood is a fatherhood and I exercise my sacrificial fatherhood in my own household. The Church teaches that our homes are domestic churches. We are a royal priesthood offering "spiritual sacrifices"... our prayers. Frankly, this part of the discussion will have to come to the question of authority... and that will take us right back to our discussion of Sola Scriptura.

61 posted on 03/02/2012 7:43:47 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke
Btw, the Holy Spirit speaks at times thru all believers -- not just those with a "prophetic" gift. (Me)

Since you've come into a discussion of Sola Scriptura with this side argument, I would like a Scripture citation, please. (You)

Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. (1 Cor. 12:3)

Cultural context: It 'twas a time when there was no "easy Christianity"; to confess Christ almost guaranteed either oppression or persecution.

Context men AND women praying together: After they prayed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they were ALL filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly. (Acts 4:31)

Some also speak in tongues full of the Holy Spirit (several passages there); other disciples speak situationally as led by the Spirit (Matt. 10:20).

65 posted on 03/02/2012 9:08:38 PM PST by Colofornian ( Those who militate vs. 'sola scriptura' lack the character of nobility (Acts 17:11))
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To: pgyanke
And yet, there were prophets in the New Testament. In fact, St Peter says in Acts 2:17-18 that God will pour out His Spirit on all flesh in the last days and sons and daughters shall prophesy. Named prophets of the New Testament include the Prophets of Antioch (Acts 13:1,8), Agabus, the daughters of the Evangelist Philip (Acts 21:9)...

(Yes...please show us your titled prophetesses running around today, please...who are they?)

The book of Acts reflects a time period less than 30 years after the death of Christ. It's entirely possible that each prophet or prophetess was both alive & set apart as one before Jesus' death.

66 posted on 03/02/2012 9:12:05 PM PST by Colofornian ( Those who militate vs. 'sola scriptura' lack the character of nobility (Acts 17:11))
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