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To: annalex

Sorry, but the 10 Commandments were inscribed by the finger of God himself. It really doesn’t matter what order the Catholics “regard” them to be in, they can’t change them. The fact that they have tried, simply to justify their iconography, is pretty strong evidence that they love their icons more than they love the word of God. Which of course, would be idolatry in and of itself.

I’m surprised that you have the gall to bring up the Sermon on the Mount, after all, it contains these verses in Matthew 5:
“17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

There you have it! You can’t change the Commandments, and nor teach others to break the Commandments, and then claim moral authority. Christ has already spoken on that matter.


178 posted on 03/13/2012 8:54:36 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
Who's changed them? The commandment not to carve images WAS given to Moses. The Jews were to obey them. We are not Jews. It is not complicated.

The reason I brought up the composition of the commandments is to explain the meaning of the graven images clause. It goes to the first commandment, -- it is meaningless without it.

The fulfillment of the law is something the meaning of which is explained in the scripture very well (see for example Eph 2:15 or Romans 3:28); canons 1967-1968 summarize that well also. In the Sermon on the Mount Christ teaches based on the Ten Commandments but He makes us think of the meaning and get the eseence rather than form. This is right after the "one jot or tittle" remark:

You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not kill. And whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment. [22] But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment. [...] [27] You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not commit adultery. [28] But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery [...] [33] Again you have heard that it was said to them of old, Thou shalt not forswear thyself: but thou shalt perform thy oaths to the Lord. [34] But I say to you not to swear at all

Observe: the text of the Commandments is alluded to and its meaning is revealed. This is the fulfillment: Christians are no longer children who are told to memorize the Decalogue, not run with scissors, eat the vegetables, etc. They are reasoning adults to whom "thou shalt not kill" or "though shalt not commit adultery" has a specific and expanded meaning. Observe also that it is the content of the heart that determines compliance with this new law that fulfills the old, -- in direct contradiction to your pharisaism where you interpret the outward gesture of bowing to a statue of a saint as idolatry without concern with the content of the prayer to the saint that is in the heart of the one doing the prayer. Protestant objections to heartfelt prayer are what the pharisees did when they counted how many times the Holy Apostles washed their cup, and just as comical. Christ laughs at you guys (Luke 11:39, several similar).

On the First commandment specifically, this is the discourse in the Sermon:

when thou dost alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doth. [4] That thy alms may be in secret, and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee.[...] [6] But thou when thou shalt pray, enter into thy chamber, and having shut the door, pray to thy Father in secret: and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee. [...] [14] For if you will forgive men their offences, your heavenly Father will forgive you also your offences. [15] But if you will not forgive men, neither will your Father forgive you your offences.[...] [17] But thou, when thou fastest anoint thy head, and wash thy face; [18] That thou appear not to men to fast, but to thy Father who is in secret: and thy Father who seeth in secret, will repay thee. [...] [24] No man can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one, and love the other: or he will sustain the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. [25] Therefore I say to you, be not solicitous for your life, what you shall eat, nor for your body, what you shall put on. [...]your Father knoweth that you have need of all these things. [33] Seek ye therefore first the kingdom of God, and his justice, and all these things shall be added unto you.

(Matthew 6)

Here is the jot and tittle: avoid pride; be merciful; celebrate fasts; avoid greed; rely on Divine Providence for your needs (Protestant work ethic rolls in its grave). This is the meaning of the First Commandment. Nothing is said about important distinctions of carved versus painted or ceremonial law versus moral law. Think and be guided by the love of God. That is the Orthodox Catholic teaching and it is the teaching of Christ; it contradicts the Protestant pharisaic legalisms profoundly. Do not walk, run away from this horrid heresy. Protestantism really kills souls. This is the law and the Prophets; learn:


179 posted on 03/14/2012 6:19:22 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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