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To: Tramonto
When I read scripture and it contradicts the teachings of the Roman Church, do I submit to scripture or to Rome?

Pick one and let's talk about it.

In matters of doctrine, its clear from your post that you hold Rome to be the ultimate authority while I consider God's Word to be the ultimate authority.

The problem for your position is that I can actually find mine in Scripture and you can't... Since I know we'll go down this road next, let me go ahead and support my position...

In 1 Cor 11:2, St Paul praises the Corinthians that they keep the ordinances he delivered to them. This is his "first" letter to the Corinthians, so he isn't referring to Scripture or prior letters. He didn't bring Scripture for them to read, he brought the teachings of Christ in his words and deeds. This is also said to the Phillipians in Phil 4:9.

In 2 Thess 3:6, St Paul admonishes the Thessolonians to withdraw themselves from those who do not walk in the traditions taught by the Apostles.

The idea that each of us is supposed to read the Bible and understand it authoritatively is thoroughly discredited by 2 Peter 1:20. And if we aren't supposed to read it and understand it individually, then there is no Sola Scriptura... someone must have the authority to teach. In fact, St Peter tells us in 2 Peter 3:16 that the contortions we go through in trying to understand difficult Scripture is actually leading us to destruction.

Finally, Scripture doesn't refer to Itself as authoritative (I'm not saying It's incorrect. I'm speaking of authority, not infallibility), it points to the Church as the pillar of Truth (1 Tim 3:15).

91 posted on 02/21/2012 9:53:13 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke
Pick one and let's talk about it.

How about calling priests "father"? What is the scriptural support for this?

94 posted on 02/21/2012 2:22:45 PM PST by Tramonto
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