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To: spirited irish; Alamo-Girl; exDemMom; betty boop; mitch5501; BrandtMichaels; wagglebee; metmom
Tragically, America increasingly resembles the now dead Marxist Communist Soviet Union.

Well said, Spirited.

And, of course, central to this “absolute mind control” you mention is what passes as “education” in Western Civilization.

I would prefer that government, particularly federal government, have nothing to do with education. I would prefer to ban governmental authority from asserting any control over the minds of the people. I do not trust government to discern (intellectually) the true from the false. I do not trust government to honestly report what is true and what is false, in the unlikely event it does stumble over them in the dark. This has always been true, and it is doubly true with respect to the “One-Mind” indoctrination you describe.

We are discussing, among other things, state control of science education at the elementary and secondary level. In a representative republic, you don’t get a categorical edict from the appropriate governing board or commission; so a representative republic must be done away with, and be replaced with a Socialist/Progressive regime. Welcome to the new USSSA . . . comrade.

But, if it seems the only way to resolve what we believe to be a critically important interest in the teaching of science is to violate a critically important fundamental principle of representative government, then that sort of circumstance ought to impress us with the serious need for a reappraisal of our understanding of the relationship between government and education, or to surrender to the local ruling Progressive Commissar.

Our universities have become cesspools of Socialist/Marxist thought control and I don’t see any groundswell of resistance coming from the ‘Science Community.’

Yet, many a Darwinian Imam would claim that the right of conscience says exactly nothing about where we should look to find intermediate fossils, or to know which animals offer good prospects for the development of drugs and vaccines. Nor does it bring us any insights on antibiotic resistance or the practical applications of DNA sequencing. Likewise, the same criticism is directed against the idea of government by the consent of the governed and many another liberal concept of Eighteenth Century Enlightenment. These ideas, they (many of our scientist friends) say, are mere useless, nay even harmful, philosophical concepts, and so inferior therefore as to be unworthy of contemplation at all.

Why should we not, in many instances, believe that our Scientist friends are “hopeless dogmatists of some forlorn doctrine seeking to evict all non-phenomenal or spiritual reality from human cognizance altogether”?

Whenever they are overcome by a momentary seizure of candor, are we not regaled with thinly veiled threats of jail or the removal of our children from their homes for abuse? Or, failing that, a threat to deny our children the benefits of a higher education unless we unreservedly embrace Darwinism and eschew all Christian beliefs that might be construed as contrary to the Theory of Evolution?

Despite the multitude of blessings that The Enlightenment has reigned down upon their heads, many of our science friends still have not come to appreciate that you cannot have freedom of inquiry without freedom of conscience (I’ve said it before . . . expect the likelihood that I’ll say it again).

We have witnessed people in this forum suggest that raising a child in a Christian home is a form of child abuse, and threaten the removal of the child from its home as a reasonable protective action (if, of course, all opposition to secular Darwinian philosophy does not cease immediately). In Pop Cult, witness the estimable Dawkins say the same thing.

Similarly, we have witnessed people in this forum declare that homeschoolers should just flatly, with or without benefit of an entrance exam, be denied entrée to any accredited college or university.

Likewise, it has been proposed that the states regulate homeschooling entirely out of existence.

In the meantime, we find ourselves subjected to the usual sensitivity malarkey, the standard Marxist/Socialist bromides, maladroit history studies, the ubiquitous PC bravo sierra, and always (ALWAYS) in the name of diversity we must all think alike. If all else fails, check your nearest university, and, increasingly a public school near you.

Indeed, one poster on this forum (since departed from same), well known to many of us, went so far as to declare himself one who is not a friend of academic freedom (and he, I think, is not alone in this sentiment). This is an astounding declaration to come from an adherent of a discipline so completely dependent on the right of free inquiry for its viability and its integrity, and on Western Civilization for its very continued existence.

Yet, when one raises these issues, the response is at once the familiar sound of crickets. Our friends who count themselves as among those who are Darwinian Mullahs wish only to argue philosophy and religion under the colour of science in an effort to inoculate themselves from rebuttal.

Everyone knows it is Stalinist Progressives, not Christians, who infest the campi of our universities like maggots on a carcass, and who have seized control of research funding. Everyone knows that it is these same Progressives who represent the totalitarian thinking we hear endlessly from the cultural cesspool that Western Civilization has become, and that is meant to destroy the freedom of inquiry so painfully erected by Western Civilization these past two thousand years. And, finally, everyone knows that this savagery has now spread into our general popular and political culture and that we stand but one or two elections away from complete socialist subjugation.

In the meantime, our erstwhile friends, these same Darwinian Mullahs, stand mute.

More than once, I have stated that I would be very glad to know that I am mistaken in my assessment, and to receive directions where I may go to join in the desperate struggle to reclaim Western culture from Marxist/Socialist savages, but I think no such place exists and that there is no such desperate struggle, other than among Conservatives and Christians.

I have received, sadly, no invitation in response.

499 posted on 03/09/2012 7:21:13 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: YHAOS; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; BrandtMichaels; wagglebee; metmom; exDemMom

YHAOS: We are discussing, among other things, state control of science education at the elementary and secondary level

Spirited: The central concern of mind-control is control of conscience. This is due to the fact that all law-—including ‘He made them man and woman’— is grounded in transcendent morality originating with either the gods, as was the case with the ancients or with the supernatural living God.

Transcendent morality is of the spirit, either of the naturalistic gods as the pagans thought or of the supernatural Spirit of God. And man’s conscience is of his soul/spirit, meaning it is neither a movement of chemicals nor neurological predispositions as Gnostic antitheists teach.

Marxist Communists were both Gnostic Manicheans and positivists, which means that science and by extension naturalism (which excludes the supernatural) is the only source of knowledge. The Soviet Union thus represents an attempt by Gnostic positivist antitheists to efface the image and voice of God from man and his conscience.

But can man who is without doubt both Dr. Jekyl and evil Mister Hyde take hold of such enormous power (Tolkien’s One Ring) without falling into great evil? The witness of the Soviet Union where from 60,000,000-100,000,000 men, women, and children were liquidated literally screams “no!”

As you pointed out, the secular state controls science education, meaning that just as was the case in the Soviet Union, science “is the only source of knowledge” and the only people capable of “knowing” and/or correctly interpreting “knowledge” are Gnostic adepts occupying positions of power and influence throughout our culture, meaning from Hollywood to academia, the White House, Congress, Supreme Court, etc.

Knowledge is power. And as a wise man once noted, power corrupts but absolute power corrupts absolutely. The “One Ring” fell into the eagerly outstretched hands of Marxists with the result of incomprehensible evil. No less than that will happen here if and when absolute power falls into the outstretched hands of our own Gnostic “elitists.”


500 posted on 03/10/2012 3:28:13 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: YHAOS
Everyone knows it is Stalinist Progressives, not Christians, who infest the campi of our universities like maggots on a carcass, and who have seized control of research funding. Everyone knows that it is these same Progressives who represent the totalitarian thinking we hear endlessly from the cultural cesspool that Western Civilization has become, and that is meant to destroy the freedom of inquiry so painfully erected by Western Civilization these past two thousand years. And, finally, everyone knows that this savagery has now spread into our general popular and political culture and that we stand but one or two elections away from complete socialist subjugation.

So very true, dear YHAOS, thank you for your outstanding essay-post!

504 posted on 03/10/2012 10:27:19 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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