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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Dimocrats are counting on us having this type of discussion, and they will use it to club us over the head and reelect the big 0.

We need to stay far, far away from the religious arguments, and stay with the unConstitutionality of the the whole thing.


3 posted on 02/15/2012 7:00:21 PM PST by SuzyQue
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To: SuzyQue

I was trying to think of a way to make this comment, but you said it perfectly SuzyQue.

The Obama team is desperately hoping that we make recent events a debate about birth control. Don’t get suckered into playing their game.


5 posted on 02/15/2012 7:04:19 PM PST by elvis-lives
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To: SuzyQue

Ain’t gonna happen.


6 posted on 02/15/2012 7:05:15 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: SuzyQue

You are very wise.

The first rule of battle is to pick the time and place of the battle. This is the discussion they want to have at this time and place under their terms.


28 posted on 02/15/2012 7:42:38 PM PST by desertfreedom765
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To: SuzyQue

Re; your post #3. - “Deepen, exacerbate existing problems, crises, differences, and if they don’t exist, create them or convincingly claim that they exist, and then deepen, exacerbate them...and profit [politically, ideologically and even financially] the most from them in any way you can, and, in the resulting chaos, blame our enemies for the whole thing.” — Vladimir Ilich Ulianov (Lenin)


34 posted on 02/15/2012 7:53:34 PM PST by anglian
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To: SuzyQue; Dr. Brian Kopp

Yes, that is what they want for a public discussion (contraception alone), but what is going on is beyond that as you imply. So for the arguments against what is going on Rights are what needs to be stressed, but for the sake of learning this was and is a great post and I do appreciate it for educational purposes.


37 posted on 02/15/2012 7:57:52 PM PST by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: SuzyQue; Dr. Brian Kopp
I humbly disagree. This is a vital discussion, and please note this paragraph:

6. Contemporary Observations and the so-called Sexual Revolution.

The advent of contraception also accompanied the rise abortion, feminism, pornography, out of wedlock birth, and homosexuality. They all come and go together. If sexual pleasure is formally divorced from conceiving children, then why would pornography by sinful? Why would masturbation be sinful? And if a couple just wanted the pleasure and never intended to conceive a child with their act, then don't they have the "right" to terminate a pregnancy if a conception should happen "by accident"? And if sexual pleasure is for the sake of pleasure, then why would homosexuality be sinful? If God wanted people to experience these pleasures, then pleasure should be the measurement. But this is all ridiculous. The natural, God-appointed purpose of this act is to procreate children and this is why pornography, masturbation, homosexuality, and abortion are wrong. It is also the reason why contraception is gravely sinful.

All of these personal and social ills or faults are now so grievous that the very fabric of our country is being torn apart. The family is in many communities, such as the black community, almost entirely missing. Children are being "raised" with no father in sight. That is, the children who survive the gauntlet and are not aborted. The "Sexual Revolution" is destroying our country. This doesn't mean that the topic of contraception should be debated in a political debate, but certainly pretending that our country is not falling apart because of these evils is to only further the descent into the abyss.

38 posted on 02/15/2012 8:00:12 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: SuzyQue
Dimocrats are counting on us having this type of discussion, and they will use it to club us over the head and reelect the big 0.

We need to stay far, far away from the religious arguments, and stay with the unConstitutionality of the the whole thing.

Quite a few protestant FReepers are rubbing their hands in glee over the Catholic issue of contraception. They fail to recognize the magnitude of the Religious freedom aspect. To paraphrase several comments I have received; You reap what you sow. I keep reiterating that if the Catholic Church loses on this then their respective churches will fall even faster.

63 posted on 02/16/2012 2:30:07 AM PST by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: SuzyQue

bingo!

Obama is counting on combining birth control and abortion into one issue.

We are no going to have religious kooks and opportunists jump up for their 15 minutes of personal glory.

they don’t care if obama wins, just as long as THEY have the chance to stand in front of the temple and look cool.


71 posted on 02/16/2012 7:21:43 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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