Posted on 02/15/2012 6:49:17 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
Wow, that’s the worst piece of spin regarding the Onan incident I’ve yet witnessed. I thought I’d seen them all. Pathetic piece, not at all in line with the universal 2000 year Christian teaching regarding that scripture. Blatant attempt to justify sin.
Demography is destiny. We ignore it at our peril.
Universal healthcare will allow them a say in:
1. What you eat.
2. How much you weigh.
3. Whether you own a gun.
4. What kind of car you drive.
5. An automatic excuse to raise your taxes.
6. The Sex Education of your children.
All of the above can be reframed as health care issues. Probably a few more that I haven’t thought of.
If you are referring to me, good doctor. :)
I don’t think my position is incorrect. Sexual relations are allowed between a man and woman who are joined by holy matrimony, but not unmarried men and women.
If it was only meant to bring forth children and, not be pleasurable, it wouldn’t have a pleasurable component to it. I do believe God is quite capable of creating acts that are just utilitarian in nature and feel utilitarian, in nature. Or is an orgasm an accidental by-product of a utilitarian act?
I don’t believe that acts of God are evr accidental, but you’re welcome to take that position if you wish.
Agreed. Good approach.
Great article and timely. Thanks. I found the Church fathers right on point.
You are very wise.
The first rule of battle is to pick the time and place of the battle. This is the discussion they want to have at this time and place under their terms.
Some of this is already occurring. UNIVERSAL means what it means and IF the Catholic church is demanding UNIVERSAL health care then they will have to provide birth control among a few other requirements. Teddy Kennedy spent his political career pushing UNIVERSAL health care and the Church buried him in good standing.
Well, if you’re the author of it, I sincerely feel sorry for you.
And, that has what to do with the constitutionality of a federally mandated health care plan?
You’ll have to excuse me, but what am I supposed to be the author of?
1) This is the Religion Forum. We can have any discussion of moral theology any time we want on this forum.
2) In God’s Providence, He is confounding the Obama administration, and using them to call His children back to a teaching that was the universal norm of Christianity for 1,930 years. He is using His enemies to wake up His children to a constant teaching they have spurned. Think of it as a test. If we ignore this issue, we do so at our own peril.
If you really think God’s hand is not in this, you are sadly mistaken.
Re; your post #3. - “Deepen, exacerbate existing problems, crises, differences, and if they don’t exist, create them or convincingly claim that they exist, and then deepen, exacerbate them...and profit [politically, ideologically and even financially] the most from them in any way you can, and, in the resulting chaos, blame our enemies for the whole thing.” — Vladimir Ilich Ulianov (Lenin)
Thanks, but rather than wise, I am very scared. The battle is laid out for those with eyes to see, and in an apparent act of mass attention deficit disorder, we conservatives appear to be determined to throw the race to the bad guys. We have to win this one. A world, for example, where the US has discarded up to 80% of what has been an unpresentedly stabilizing nuclear weaponry force is one that will allow for much evil. We ain’t seen nothing yet.
I assumed from your previous post you were the author of the link you had provided. My apologies if my assumption was incorrect, but I’ve seen many attempts to spin the Onan incident, and that was one of the worst I’ve see.
Yes, that is what they want for a public discussion (contraception alone), but what is going on is beyond that as you imply. So for the arguments against what is going on Rights are what needs to be stressed, but for the sake of learning this was and is a great post and I do appreciate it for educational purposes.
6. Contemporary Observations and the so-called Sexual Revolution.
The advent of contraception also accompanied the rise abortion, feminism, pornography, out of wedlock birth, and homosexuality. They all come and go together. If sexual pleasure is formally divorced from conceiving children, then why would pornography by sinful? Why would masturbation be sinful? And if a couple just wanted the pleasure and never intended to conceive a child with their act, then don't they have the "right" to terminate a pregnancy if a conception should happen "by accident"? And if sexual pleasure is for the sake of pleasure, then why would homosexuality be sinful? If God wanted people to experience these pleasures, then pleasure should be the measurement. But this is all ridiculous. The natural, God-appointed purpose of this act is to procreate children and this is why pornography, masturbation, homosexuality, and abortion are wrong. It is also the reason why contraception is gravely sinful.
All of these personal and social ills or faults are now so grievous that the very fabric of our country is being torn apart. The family is in many communities, such as the black community, almost entirely missing. Children are being "raised" with no father in sight. That is, the children who survive the gauntlet and are not aborted. The "Sexual Revolution" is destroying our country. This doesn't mean that the topic of contraception should be debated in a political debate, but certainly pretending that our country is not falling apart because of these evils is to only further the descent into the abyss.
No worries.
I just wanted to make sure that, if I was going to get dumped on, that it was for what I actually did and not what anybody thought I did.
I think my position on sexual relations is pretty orthodox.
Suzy, I haven’t run across you before. But so far I agree with everything you have said.
I too am scared. I do remember the early 1980’s and things also looked very bleak and we turned things around beautifully. (Thanks to Reagan, JP2 and MT).
I don’t see leaders of that caliber right now and the population is much dumber and less aware of what is really going on.
We live in interesting times...
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