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To: metmom; Quix; pastorbillrandles
I haven’t really paid attention in church as to whether women do it more or men but based on my recollection, it is women.

- Do women speak anything in the assembly, let alone tongues?

1Co 14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

- Are women teachers of doctrine any place, let alone in the assembly (or on the internet)? (There is no feminine Greek word for teachers of doctrine. Not a NT concept.)

1Ti 2:11-14 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

- Does a woman pray or prophesy anywhere without being covered to demonstrate her submission in authority under God, Christ, and the man -- as viewed by humans and good/bad angels (even on the internet)?(Her hair is as a garment, not as her cover/badge of submission to spiritual authority)

1Co 11:5-6 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

- Are women ever instructors? Sophronizers of young women (not didaskaloi)? Personified examples of good things (adjective)?

Tit 2:3-5 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Just a few notes -- God's spiritual gift of gender and maturity in the Company of the Committed --

82 posted on 02/16/2012 5:16:23 AM PST by imardmd1 (Jude 3c "... earnestly contend for The Faith which was once delivered to the saints.")
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To: imardmd1
- Do women speak anything in the assembly, let alone tongues?

So women are not allowed to talk at all in your church? Can they sing, too? Or do you relegate them to the back room somewhere and hand them duct tape for their mouths when they walk in the door?

Can't have any of that women talking in church stuff, you know. Does that apply to children as well? Boys can talk but girls can't?

I have a real issue with women pastors for the reasons given in Scripture. I also see that as being a response to men in the church abdicating their role of spiritual leadership in the church. The only justification I can see in ordaining women is to allow them access to hospitals for visitation privileges that are usually reserved for clergy.

But if you're going to demand absolute and strict adherence to the above verses, then the only conclusion one can reach is that women in your church are not permitted to utter one word from the time they enter for services, until the time they leave. When they are in church assembling for any reason, they can't talk. No socializing allowed at all. No women employed by the church for administrative assistant work, because that requires them to talk.

That IS what it says; no speaking in the assembly for women, and likely girls as well.

87 posted on 02/16/2012 6:59:37 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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