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To: boatbums; presently no screen name; smvoice; CynicalBear; caww
Details? It wasn't a "faith healer" that came but the pastor and an elder like in James 5:14-16 "Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven." You've read that part, right?

OK pnsn, then could you please explain why, after God giving us through the divine inspiration of Scripture instructions as to go about procuring healing and someone follows those instructions, that they are NOT healed?

And the excuse of the afflicted person not having enough faith doesn't wash for two reasons.

First off, Luke 17:5-6 5 The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!” 6 And the Lord said, “If you had faith like a grain of mustard seed, you could say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it would obey you.

Matthew 17:20 He said to them, “Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.”

And....

How is calling for the elders and being anointed with oil according to Scripture NOT demonstrating enough faith to be healed? The person obviously had enough faith to act on it.

Now if the amount of a person's faith is is the criteria for being healed, then when they aren't healed, what happens? Their faith is judged as inadequate by those around them who based their judgment on outward signs, IOW, because God didn't do in their lives what everyone else thought should have happened.

That is putting yourself in the position of judging God and your fellow believer based on outward appearances, something we are not to do.

Do you know what kind of damage can be done to a person's walk with Christ, particularly a baby Christian, when they are told that they don't have enough faith?

That is absolutely inexcusable.

I was by no means a baby Christian when I started encountering that mindset, and I still struggled with it, until I reached the point of realizing that they were WRONG and ignoring them. But not everyone has that kind of maturity or fortitude.

817 posted on 03/03/2012 5:58:21 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
And the excuse of the afflicted person not having enough faith doesn't wash for two reasons

Why tell me - I never said that "excuse".

That is putting yourself in the position of judging God and your fellow believer based on outward appearances, something we are not to do.

Watch yourself there! I see it is you that is judging and going on a rant of what I never said!

Do you know what kind of damage can be done to a person's walk with Christ, particularly a baby Christian, when they are told that they don't have enough faith? That is absolutely inexcusable.

Didn't Jesus talk about the mustard seed, the smallest of seeds and moving mountains? So why crumble what man says? Where is your faith in what God said?

Did someone tell you that it's easy sailing as a Christian? When you suffered what Paul suffered, then we can talk.

826 posted on 03/03/2012 7:10:41 PM PST by presently no screen name
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