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To: boatbums
It isn't saying that all the gifts to the church or the fruit of the Holy Spirit - which also includes love - will cease. I Corinthians 13:8-10 says, "Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.".

So love never fails, but tongues - the supernatural power of tongues - will cease just as prophecies and partial knowledge will. Why Paul spoke of tongues and not healing, I don't know other than it is something God always will do.

Because he said "prophecies" and "knowledge" is why I believe it is speaking of the completed revelation of God - the Bible. No new prophecy or unrevealed knowledge was omitted from it.

Sounds like a flying leap of illogic, to me. In I Cor 13 . . . INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE CEASED for that passage of Scripture to have been FULFILLED. Therefore, using I Cor 13 as a justification to claim ANY CESSATION of Holy Spirit’s gifts is GROSSLY BOGUS.

Perhaps folks are different where you are . . . but all the even authentic Christians I know are NOT omniscient, like God—about ANYthing. They don’t even know ALL the FULL KNOWLEDGE about THEMSELVES! I doubt you do, either.

Some people even say that tongues is some kind of "heavenly" language, the language of angels, but I know it can't be that simply because Paul said it would "be stilled" or stop. Obviously we will all speak some kind of language in heaven, but it will not be the same as the tongues in I Cor. 13.

Uhhhhhh . . I don’t think that assumption is well thought-out. Paul is talking about the gifting of tongues and of tongues and interpretation as gifts of Holy Spirit for the Church Age being ended—NOT necessarily any of the language(s) tongues speakers used—including any “Heavenly languages.”

However, I do agree that too much emphasis is placed on the "showy" outward demonstrations of tongues - which Paul said was the least of the gifts. Each person will answer to God for however he uses the gifts God gives and all of them are for the ultimate glory of God.

Plenty true.

Just as folks where buttons were labeled unChristian began to wear flashy Chinese frog knot closures . . . Man has an infinite capacity to be vain-glorious; self-righteous; arrogant; given to grand standing; power-mongering; !!CONTROLLING!!; preening; prancing; pontificating; etc. etc. etc. The counterfeit never negates the authentic. It only makes the counterfeiter subject to judgment.

176 posted on 02/21/2012 8:51:14 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
The counterfeit never negates the authentic. It only makes the counterfeiter subject to judgment.

How do you know the difference in counterfeit tongues from what you say is authentic? and who makes that judgement by what standard of testing since it is "verbal" and open to testing.

288 posted on 02/23/2012 7:45:51 PM PST by caww
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