Mitt's Mormon Army: How It Works

BuzzFeed ^ | February 3, 2012 | McKay Coppins

[sand lake bar]

Not just too much work—rather, an impossible task. Apparently, President Reagan respected all faiths. How different he was from so many here!

[Elsie]

Please don’t ping me to this stale thread anymore.

Bring more ammo to the next thread...

[Godzilla]

No. You want to choose approved religions, I don’t.

That is your choice. However, if you are going to be consistent with you own claim you cannot deny my right to use religion as a criteria.

However, if you wish to say, as you have, that someone who meets the Constitutional requirement for running for office who happens to be a member of one of your unapproved religions is not fit to run for office - then that is repugnant and un-American.

No, what is unamerican is to try to deny any american the right to make their decisions based upon their own criteria. The constitution guarantees us the RIGHT to make that a criteria if we want to. Perhaps you missed that day in school RF.

Just because you have friends who are equally deluded as you does not make you right. You are most certainly wrong.

LOL, what a perverted sense of reality you've just expressed there.

[Elsie]

I’m glad you have lots of friends who are willing to pick “approved religions”. it’s wrong, no matter how many of you there are.

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[svcw]

Huh? And here I thought that’s what you said in post #401, silly me.

[Elsie]

Not just too much work—rather, an impossible task.

You make this claim quite boldly; with no evidence to back it up.

[svcw]

It’s your team that says that Mormons - simply for the act of being mormon should not be running for office.

Show the post that says what you are asserting.

[RFEngineer]

Please.....Not your trademark cut-and-paste posts......

[Elsie]

Apparently, President Reagan respected all faiths. How different he was from so many here!

Unlike MORMON leadership; as was shown just above at reply#424.

Do you ACCEPT or REPUDIATE those statements?

[sand lake bar]

It’s pretty simple, really. Refusing to vote for someone solely because of his race is racism. Refusing to vote for someone solely because of his religion is bigotry.

[RFEngineer]

“Huh? And here I thought that’s what you said in post #401, silly me.”

Yes, silly you. You misunderstood.

[Elsie]

Refusing to vote for someone solely because of his race is racism. Refusing to vote for someone solely because of his religion is bigotry.

And if a person is voted FOR because of his race or relgion; what would you call it?

[Elsie]

You still gonna ignore the FACTS that are thrown in your face?

[RFEngineer]

“Show the post that says what you are asserting.”

#404

Correct your friend - tell him that even a Radical Muslim can run for office, and serve in office if Constitutionally eligible and duly elected.

*gasp* Even a Mormon can run for office and serve if elected.

[svcw]

I’m not Mormon.

Suuurrrre.

[sand lake bar]

When I see crazy talk from any religious leader I always refrain from attributing it to all the members of that faith. I mean, I would never assume Christianity to be a bigoted religion based on the individual bigotry expressed on threads like this.

[RFEngineer]

“You still gonna ignore the FACTS that are thrown in your face?”

My good friend. You may be presenting Facts, but they are irrelevant to the question at hand.

Namely, the Constitution specifically allows any religious adherent to run for any office that they are eligible to under the Constitution - and serve if elected.

Your friends on this thread assert that somehow that is not right.

So forgive me if I don’t read your impossible cut-and-paste posts. You have to get caught up - read, THEN post. please.

[Godzilla]

Are you on their side, or the side of the Constitution?

Seems our engineer should stick to that, since it is apparent there is a gross lack of understanding what the constitution actually states as well as its application. It means that there can be no LAWS established - but citizens are free to use their own criteria to include religion. The constitutional point here, that RF inexcusably misses, is that the restriction found in the Constitution is placed on the federal government, not on the people. So while the federal government is prohibited from applying a religious test for federal office, there is absolutely no restriction placed on voters. Voters are free to apply any religious test they want.

some practical things continually escape engineers.

[sand lake bar]

If race or religion was the sole reason, then it would be exactly the same. Simple logic, actually.

[svcw]

Sorry honey, you are going to have to show me where the poster says mormons should be prohibited from running. My post #404 shows nothing of the sort.