Posted on 02/03/2012 3:51:42 PM PST by Gamecock
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1) Where did Jesus give instructions that the Christian faith should be based exclusively on a book?
2) Where did Jesus tell His apostles to write anything down and compile it into an authoritative book?
3) Where in the New Testament do the apostles tell future generations that the Christian faith will be based solely on a book?
4) Where in the Bible do we find an inspired and infallible list of books that should belong in the Bible?
Jesus always appealed to Scripture
2) Where did Jesus tell His apostles to write anything down and compile it into an authoritative book?
Good point. Let's throw out the totality of Scripture.
2Tim 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
3) Where in the New Testament do the apostles tell future generations that the Christian faith will be based solely on a book?
2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
4) Where in the Bible do we find an inspired and infallible list of books that should belong in the Bible?
Holy Spirit guided it long before the heretics/Papists forced themselves on Rome.
The best evidence concerning the “Shroud of Turin” is that it dates to the medieval period and is probably an artifact of human artistry. In David Farley’s words, “a medieval fake.”
Well I’d sure like to know HOW it was faked. So far no one has been able to answer that.
1) Jesus' appeals to Scripture were made by way of convincing Torah-studying Jews of who He is, and in His earthly ministry He used "Scripture" (as did the Apostles) to refer only to the Old Covenant Scriptures. In contrast He said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father except through Me." The Christian Faith if based on a Person, not on a book.
2) and 3) You argue as if the word "all" meant "only". It does not, nor does the Greek πᾶσα have the double sense of "all" and "only" -- it is correctly translated as "all". Thus your answer is no answer at all, even leaving aside that it is the Holy Apostle Paul writing to Timothy not Our Lord Himself, and FatherofFive asked about Jesus.
4) Again a non-answer. I agree that the Holy Spirit led the Church to correctly select the canon of Scripture, but you deny the process by which the Holy Spirit did this: a series of councils held by the ancient Church, one at Carthage, that because it took place in the Patriarchate of Rome and received a papal assent, the Latins regard as having settled the matter, and the disciplinary session of the Sixth Ecumenical Council (called in the west the Trullan Synod or the Quinsext Council) which accepted the canons of Carthage, including the enumeration of the books of Scriptures, as binding on the whole Church. The same authority which fixed the canon of Scripture -- an Ecumenical Council of the ancient and undivided Church -- also approved the veneration of icons and of relics.
Rather than projecting your modern anti-Papist biases back into the first century, why don't you read the writings of the Ante-Nicene Fathers who knew the Apostles to see what the ancient Church was like even before it collected the canon of Scripture, when the Faith was transmitted by personal preaching: the letters of St. Ignatius (the seven genuine ones), the Didache, the (First) Epistle of St. Clement to the Corinthians, and the Martyrdom of Polycarp taken together give a nice picture of the Christian Faith and the life of the Church in the first generation after the Apostles. The promise that the Spirit would lead us into all truth applied as much to the Christians living in those days as it does to us.
Of course, the special status of this relic was the fact that, according to the claim, this skin was the only remnant of Christ’s body on earth.
Does it, like, glow? Or is it just a leathery scrap, having not passed through death to a triumphant resurrection life? What are the implications of this for uncircumcised males?
Consider the attention given in recent days to the claim that remnants of Noah’s ark had been found on Mount Ararat in Turkey. A team from “Noah’s Ark Ministries International,” based in Hong Kong, claimed that wood found on the mountain came from Noah’s ark — with a certainty of “99.9 percent.”
As long as I can remember there have been people claiming to have come back from Ararat with bits of the ark.
“Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.’ “
So you use the Christian canon that encompasses the same Septuagint Christ and the Apostles quote from, not the revised Pharisee canon, right?
It is sad that some people think straw men like these are accurate.
Dishonest Christians like this author give Christianity a bad name.
Did Jesus promise the apostles that the Holy Spirit would guide them in what to write or not? If He did isn’t it the Holy Spirit who’s words are recorded rather than Paul’s?
>> also approved the veneration of icons and of relics.<<
That group also protected pedophiles.
Obama is in a bit of a confrontation with members of the Catholic Church right now. So, I have a question here for the anti-Catholics (they should know who they are) that may give some insight into how the they view the situation.
Who do you dislike more: Obama or the current pope?
Knowing the antics of the anti-Catholics on this site, we can’t count on honest answers. Nevertheless, the replies should be edifying.
I doubt you’ll get any responses from certain quarters.
That group also protected pedophiles.Do tell, what denomination has been free of that crime, oh peerless poster?
If your premise were correct there would not be so many different “bible-based” denominations.
No amount of contrived accusation can change that.
No, he didn't. Do you just make things up to support your bias.
Will you concede "He taught as one having authority?"
I agree.
As another poster pointed out, some people here may think that the pope is the anti-Christ. Therefore, no matter who the Church is facing off against, they’ll always side with the Church’s enemies, even if they are Communists, Muslims, Nazis, etc.
I’m sure most on this site who hold that view would not like to admit it.
Where did you post this from?
As of now, it’s unattributed.
Are you comparing apples to oranges or apples to apples? Or maybe the Vatican has the ability to name itself an apple or an orange, depending on the situation of the moment. As far as I have seen, Obama has no religious organization that he is head of.
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