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To: papertyger; metmom

I think both the questions are completely relevant. If mm was claiming assuredly infallibility, then she could be charged with making herself a pope, but if she was expressing a belief (based on evidence) in the Bible as being inerrant, then she herself in not claiming such, but only presenting a judgement based upon evidence, being dependent upon a greater authority than herself to persuade people by manifestation of the truth. (2Cor. 4:2)

And which appeal to a greater authority is what you yourself do in asserting that Rome is the One True Church, based upon Scripture, Tradition and history, rather than the Orthodox or others who also appeal to their church as effectively being the supreme authority on doctrine.

This assertion of Rome as being the OTC flows from your fallible faith decision to submit to her, and which fallible human reasoning you must exercise on discerning which of many pronouncements and parts thereof are infallible (and thus require implicit assent of faith), as well as (to varying degrees) the meaning of these and those from the Ordinary magisterium, which most of what RCS believe and practice is said to belong to. And in which there are many differences beyond a unity in core essentials.

Thus neither adherents of SS and SE (sola ecclesia) believe they are assuredly infallible, but appeal to greater authorities which claim to be, and under both models there is division, the differences being in degrees, as well as a wide unity in core essentials.

The question then remains, are you saying that no one can have Scriptural certitude of truth (and thus believe and speak the same) except by confidence in the magisterium of Rome when it speaks infallibly?


293 posted on 02/14/2012 7:59:31 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust in the Lord Jesus to save you as a damned+morally destitute sinner ,+ be forgiven+live)
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To: daniel1212

Instead of throwing up a cloud of words which, given the way it’s written, tends to obscure the subject, why not just demonstrate the flaw in my logic?

There is a great epistemological gap between saying “I believe x” and being qualified to say “your belief in y is wrong.”


294 posted on 02/14/2012 8:44:03 PM PST by papertyger
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To: daniel1212; papertyger

Good job, daniel. Obviously not able to be refuted based on the response.

I never claimed to be infallible in my interpretations. Scripture is inerrant and infallible, a claim Catholicism makes so I don’t see why MY also acknowledging that should be an issue.


295 posted on 02/15/2012 6:41:35 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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