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To: johngrace
Nobody is saying that she wasn't unique. She had the privilege that only one person on the planet could have, and that is bearing the Messiah.

So, yes, she was highly favored, to do this one task she was called to do and nobody else could fulfill.

And you know, a LOT of people are in that category. God prepared works in advance for us to do, stuff that only we can do and if we don't do them, then they simply may not be done.

But that in no way excuses or justifies the adulation and titles heaped upon her. That makes people who do that respecters of person's which is clearly condemned in Scripture. We are forbidden to do that. It is a sin.

Jesus Himself told us who the greatest person to ever live was and that was John the Baptist. God's opinion, not ours.

200 posted on 02/05/2012 6:18:24 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
Dear Sister-

May God Always Bless You And Keep You in Our Lord Jesus Christ!

You put respecters of a person and Also the Statement by Our Glorious Lord on John The Baptist on quite a level.

The respector of persons in the epistles is about people who come into the Church if I remember right about poor or rich in regards to treating members at a local assembly. Which can not be taken as an absolutism in every category. Especially where God puts otherwise.

Why would God put HONOR Thy Mother and Father in the commandments in scripture. Without a Doubt God is telling Us our immediate family is more important than strangers. That is not to mean not to be fair to others of course but there are priorities in life. Obviously it is to take care and be respectful. If everyone took care of their parents properly most of the problems in even today’s society would not arise with seniors.

To say the least He of all people is more bound to this Commandment than any other person that ever existed on the planet. One for being God who instituted it. Second for being the Sinless Lamb of God who could never sin as such. So how much more so to do it absolutely right better than any man. Especially a King who honors his mother.

I amazed when people just merely mention like it was nothing to be the Blessed Virgin Mary. Did you ever talk to a Mother who lost a son by beating and then death? How about a woman who knew this was going to happen before her own child is born?

Thirty Three Years Before! What a burden to say the least.

The prophecy of Simeon:

"And Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary his mother: Behold this child is set for the fall and for the resurrection of many in Israel, and for a sign which shall be contradicted; And thy own soul a sword shall pierce, that out of many hearts thoughts may be revealed" (Luke II: 34-35).

How great was the shock to Mary's Heart at hearing the sorrowful words, in which holy Simeon told the bitter Passion and death of her sweet Jesus, since in that same moment she realized in her mind all the insults, blows, and torments which the impious men were to offer to the Redeemer of the world.

But a still sharper sword pierced her soul. It was the thought of men's ingratitude to her beloved Son. Now consider that because of other's sins you are unhappily among the ungrateful while this is going on for last three years of your son's life.

How about some on these threads who ridicule and marginalize her like she was a mere waif. A great mere mechanism without emotions or real worth in the cog wheels of life in the most important history reality story that ever existed.

I am amazed when my evangelical brothers and sisters act callous towards our dear lady. Oh she asks Jesus for a miracle at a wedding then is ridiculed by some over the years on these threads. Wow! Like we have the right!

She knows what is before her in her future for what her son the Savior will have to endure for all. What great heart ache her heart ached. Then at a joyous occasion she asks for happiness within a request for wine.

Some of us read like it is only a story. No! It is a true life lived for every main person in the story! We can not just act like it was not much because the so called mention of Mary on the word in the Gospel story is not enough to warrant real importance by some. NO! How much a real heart ached Horror of a life lived reality for this poor woman.

I stand on his honor and his honor is on His Mother and His word. His honor to His mother is more real than any other human honor because it is his words not ours that are more important. He can never falter in his honor.

"Honor your Father and your Mother, that your days may be long in the land which The Lord your God gives you." (Exodus 20:12)

Whether you know it or not you belittle the Lord’s Honor. He believes in the Family function more than any other who ever existed. He invented it that’s why!

Now lets examine The great John The Baptist. First I would like to point out that I could not even touch or do what the baptist did. What John did I am in awe. But when we compare the great Holy acting people of the Gospels it is like comparing great heroes to heroes but some go through even more becoming greater heroes.

Funny thing about God after He declares what You ultimately say about John the baptist. He is showing great fortitude and mercy towards John because before it was said after John doubted who Jesus was in salvation history.

Luke 7:

Jesus and John the Baptist

18 John’s disciples told him about all these things. Calling two of them, 19 he sent them to the Lord to ask, “Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?”

20 When the men came to Jesus, they said, “John the Baptist sent us to you to ask, ‘Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?’”

21 At that very time Jesus cured many who had diseases, sicknesses and evil spirits, and gave sight to many who were blind. 22 So he replied to the messengers, “Go back and report to John what you have seen and heard: The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy[a] are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is proclaimed to the poor. 23 Blessed is anyone who does not stumble on account of me.”

Nowhere do you ever see Mary doubt Jesus at all as Adult Savior.

But John who hears God's voice from the Father.

Matthew 3: The Baptism of Jesus

13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”

15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.

16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

John the Baptist hears God the FATHER's Voice and Sees The HOLY SPIRIT as a DOVE. How could he doubt? He saw and heard in the God given Supernatural. Yet He doubts. I hate having to compare.

I do not believe that What Jesus said means more honored than Mary. I believe it was a colloquialism. His main point was about the kingdom of Heaven. A saying showing a point. Just like when the Lord showed about cutting off our hands, eyes and hands if we sinned. It was about how bad sin really is in our lives. It is not an absolute.

By the way I was named after John the Baptist, John The Apostle and my Uncle John. I am in Holy awe of the two famous Johns. One was beheaded. One was put in vat of boiling oil and survived.

Freeper Regards!

Praise Jesus and Hail Mary as The Angel declared!

All Glory to God in The Highest!!

223 posted on 02/05/2012 10:07:31 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: metmom
Dear Sister-

May God Always Bless You And Keep You in Our Lord Jesus Christ!

You put respecters of a person and Also the Statement by Our Glorious Lord on John The Baptist on quite a level.

The respector of persons in the epistles is about people who come into the Church if I remember right about poor or rich in regards to treating members at a local assembly. Which can not be taken as an absolutism in every category. Especially where God puts otherwise.

Why would God put HONOR Thy Mother and Father in the commandments in scripture. Without a Doubt God is telling Us our immediate family is more important than strangers. That is not to mean not to be fair to others of course but there are priorities in life. Obviously it is to take care and be respectful. If everyone took care of their parents properly most of the problems in even today’s society would not arise with seniors.

To say the least He of all people is more bound to this Commandment than any other person that ever existed on the planet. One for being God who instituted it. Second for being the Sinless Lamb of God who could never sin as such. So how much more so to do it absolutely right better than any man. Especially a King who honors his mother.

I amazed when people just merely mention like it was nothing to be the Blessed Virgin Mary. Did you ever talk to a Mother who lost a son by beating and then death? How about a woman who knew this was going to happen before her own child is born?

Thirty Three Years Before! What a burden to say the least.

The prophecy of Simeon:

"And Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary his mother: Behold this child is set for the fall and for the resurrection of many in Israel, and for a sign which shall be contradicted; And thy own soul a sword shall pierce, that out of many hearts thoughts may be revealed" (Luke II: 34-35).

How great was the shock to Mary's Heart at hearing the sorrowful words, in which holy Simeon told the bitter Passion and death of her sweet Jesus, since in that same moment she realized in her mind all the insults, blows, and torments which the impious men were to offer to the Redeemer of the world.

But a still sharper sword pierced her soul. It was the thought of men's ingratitude to her beloved Son. Now consider that because of other's sins you are unhappily among the ungrateful while this is going on for last three years of your son's life.

How about some on these threads who ridicule and marginalize her like she was a mere waif. A great mere mechanism without emotions or real worth in the cog wheels of life in the most important history reality story that ever existed.

I am amazed when my evangelical brothers and sisters act callous towards our dear lady. Oh she asks Jesus for a miracle at a wedding then is ridiculed by some over the years on these threads. Wow! Like we have the right!

She knows what is before her in her future for what her son the Savior will have to endure for all. What great heart ache her heart ached. Then at a joyous occasion she asks for happiness within a request for wine.

Some of us read like it is only a story. No! It is a true life lived for every main person in the story! We can not just act like it was not much because the so called mention of Mary on the word in the Gospel story is not enough to warrant real importance by some. NO! How much a real heart ached Horror of a life lived reality for this poor woman.

I stand on his honor and his honor is on His Mother and His word. His honor to His mother is more real than any other human honor because it is his words not ours that are more important. He can never falter in his honor.

"Honor your Father and your Mother, that your days may be long in the land which The Lord your God gives you." (Exodus 20:12)

Whether you know it or not you belittle the Lord’s Honor. He believes in the Family function more than any other who ever existed. He invented it that’s why!

Now lets examine The great John The Baptist. First I would like to point out that I could not even touch or do what the baptist did. What John did I am in awe. But when we compare the great Holy acting people of the Gospels it is like comparing great heroes to heroes but some go through even more becoming greater heroes.

Funny thing about God after He declares what You ultimately say about John the baptist. He is showing great fortitude and mercy towards John because before it was said after John doubted who Jesus was in salvation history.

Luke 7:

Jesus and John the Baptist

18 John’s disciples told him about all these things. Calling two of them, 19 he sent them to the Lord to ask, “Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?”

20 When the men came to Jesus, they said, “John the Baptist sent us to you to ask, ‘Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?’”

21 At that very time Jesus cured many who had diseases, sicknesses and evil spirits, and gave sight to many who were blind. 22 So he replied to the messengers, “Go back and report to John what you have seen and heard: The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy[a] are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is proclaimed to the poor. 23 Blessed is anyone who does not stumble on account of me.”

Nowhere do you ever see Mary doubt Jesus at all as Adult Savior.

But John who hears God's voice from the Father.

Matthew 3: The Baptism of Jesus

13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”

15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.

16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

John the Baptist hears God the FATHER's Voice and Sees The HOLY SPIRIT as a DOVE. How could he doubt? He saw and heard in the God given Supernatural. Yet He doubts. I hate having to compare.

I do not believe that What Jesus said means more honored than Mary. I believe it was a colloquialism. His main point was about the kingdom of Heaven. A saying showing a point. Just like when the Lord showed about cutting off our hands, eyes and hands if we sinned. It was about how bad sin really is in our lives. It is not an absolute.

By the way I was named after John the Baptist, John The Apostle and my Uncle John. I am in Holy awe of the two famous Johns. One was beheaded. One was put in vat of boiling oil and survived.

Freeper Regards!

Praise Jesus and Hail Mary as The Angel declared!

All Glory to God in The Highest!!

224 posted on 02/05/2012 10:08:11 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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