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To: johngrace

Jesus honors His mothers without making her into a demigoddess above that which is written, and your attempts to justify making her the mighty Mother of God and a perpetually sinless virgin who is ascended to Heaven and enthroned as Queen of Heaven with almost unlimited power and having the ability and function to process virtually unlimited prayer requests are extrapolations.

I could go thru them all but not at 2am, suffice to say that the phrase “full of grace” is not a title given to Mary, but describes her blessed state, and does not suggests a unique individual perfection of grace as being sinless from a past event, anymore than Eph. 1:6 does in which the exact same word is used to describe the blessed condition of all believers.

Mary was most blessed of all women, as believers are among all mankind, because of the grace bestowed upon them, but which does not justify extrapolating an exalted state beyond what is written. And the hermeneutic that seeks to justify making doctrines of such based upon silence, as not forbidding something, is cultic.

As for the Ark being Ark is undefiled so men could not touch it less they die, it was touched by men, and if Mary had to be sinless, then the one who bore her should be also, while the Ark was holy because of what it contained, and believers have the Holy Spirit in them and are called saints.

Meanwhile, although He could have, beside many other attribute and titles give by men to Mary but not by the Holy Spirit, He also never refers to Mary as being the antitype to the O.T. Ark, which is in Heaven, (Rv. 11:9) but He does refers to Jesus tabernacling among us, (Jn. 1:14) and His body easily fufils the role of the Ark.

In addition, the Holy Spirit distinctly says the Lord Jesus also came forth by Israel, (Rm. 9:5) and that they were the stewards of revelation, (Rm. 3:2; 9:4) without being sinless, nor were the holy men thru Whom the pure word of God came. We dare not limit the Holy One of Israel. (Ps. 78:41)

As for the women clothed with the sun, some of the CFs differed on that, as does your own approved note in your official Bible, which rightly interprets this to be Israel.

All for now. Time for bed.

Scripture also records unique aspects of others, like Paul, but which are also not to be used to exalt them as Rome does with Mary.


198 posted on 02/04/2012 11:17:43 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust in the Lord Jesus to save you as a contrite damned+morally destitute sinner + be forgiven+live)
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To: daniel1212
Good Night. Daniel.

Your Entitled to your opinion and Views from Scripture. I know better. She is no demi-god.If He is a King She is a Queen. I think you read those discussions before on these threads.

Freeper Regards!

199 posted on 02/04/2012 11:39:47 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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