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To: Quix
Aha - finally got time to sit and read the post you asked about!

Lot of info, and a lot well above my paygrade, but I will happily try. Bear in mind I am no priest, not theoligan and this is my personal truth, not Gospel (sorry, could not resist that!)

Mary deserves our respect and love as the bearer of our Lord made flesh. More because we know she testified both before and after the crucifixion. This was a time when women were possessions, remember. Not people. The lady had guts and grace.

Now, as for individual points:

Mary is crowned Queen of heaven and earth, dispenser of all graces . . . .

Jesus is often referred to as King of Kings. Does that not make his mother a queen? It certainly did in the 5th century.

4 - She became Queen of Purgatory, where she exercises her power as mediatrix in behalf of these suffering souls. . 5 - She became Queen of us sinners, to assist us through the dangers of this life and to help us in difficulties. .

All souls suffer. She is there to help us, that is all. You don't waste the general's time when you have a stomach ache, you talk to your seargent. Catholics are very hierarchical. One of the reasons I am happy here.

6 - She became the ruler of hell, that trembles at her slightest gaze and is defeated by her power. .

This one puzzles me badly. Provisionally, I'd say hell fears and flees from purity. Mary is most definitely pure, we are told that. Odd way of putting it though. This one I need to pray upon further.

"Mary is the tree of life to those who grasp her, and he is happy who hold her fast." --Prov. 3:18 .

This one, on the other hand, is easy. Tree was used extensively as a metaphor in scripture. Think of "by their fruits you shall know them" for one. Her fruit was our Savior - who is the way, the truth and the life.

1 - "Hail Mary, beloved daughter of the Father, Mother of the Divine Son, Spouse of the Holy Spirit, complement of the most august Trinity!" .

It simply states she was a daughter of God (as we all are - or sons of course!), the mother of our savior who was impregnated by the Holy Spirit. All straight from the gospels. To be slightly crude, back then, you got a girl pregnant you were considered wed. End of story. Something maybe we should go back to. Side note - please don't ask me about the Holy Trinity, that makes my brain hurt!

9 - God loved Mary so much that He gave her the keys to His heart. 'No one can go to God without Mary drawing him.'

First part, well, he did choose her of all his chosen people to bear our saviour. Second part - I do not know, but suspect it is the literal truth. Without Mary, no Jesus. Without Jesus, no salvation.

5 - "She desired the safety of everyone, went in search of it, and obtained it; it was also through her that this salvation was wrought."

Again. Salvation is from God through his spirit made flesh. You have to grow flesh somewhere - a woman is usually used. (and that comment will earn me a penance for sure!)

4 - "By becoming Mother of God, Mary belongs to the order of hypostatic union; hence she participates IN the infinite sanctity of God."

We all do. Anyone who accepts the Holy Spirit becomes one with God. She just happened to be head of the queue.

The other points, I either do not have any idea or really need to talk them over with the priest first. Probably racked up enough penance to keep me busy all week as it is!

Posted a bit in the other thread where we were talking that you may find interesting too: Thread is http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2841259/posts?page=270#270

As always, good talking to you!

171 posted on 02/04/2012 10:07:02 AM PST by EnglishCon
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To: EnglishCon

Thanks for giving it your best.

I understand your ‘reasoning,’ though it doesn’t track with my notion of words and meanings.

And, I’m saddened to see you seemingly more or less excuse such outrageous assertions.

Sigh.

I appreciate the dialogues with you, too.


173 posted on 02/04/2012 10:29:27 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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