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WHY THE MAGISTERIUM MAKES SENSE TO ME
Ignitum Today ^ | February 2, 2012 | Colin Gormley

Posted on 02/03/2012 6:31:03 AM PST by NYer

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To: metmom

It’s saddening to watch so many deny they worship Mary while it’s obvious they do. A statement like “even God himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin” should send anyone with any sense whatsoever fleeing from that cult.


201 posted on 02/05/2012 6:27:54 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
It’s saddening to watch so many deny they worship Mary while it’s obvious they do. A statement like “even God himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin” should send anyone with any sense whatsoever fleeing from that cult.

Should. But doesn't.

The only reaction it provokes is defense of the whole mess.

202 posted on 02/05/2012 10:21:33 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

Dear God, what a Satanic quote. Do RCs really believe this?

Read your Bibles. The truth is there.


203 posted on 02/05/2012 12:42:22 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

At least the guy who wrote it, and then apparently those who published it with their approval. I’d guess some more, based on the reactions of defense to this sort of thing I see from Catholics on this board.


204 posted on 02/05/2012 2:36:16 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
Well written, however the Holy Spirit is my tutor.

By the Holy Spirit, I presume you mean the wise counselor whom Jesus promised would guide His Church in all truth. If so, then He is either a fool and a liar, or He does not exist, because in matters as profound as baptism and as trivial as Harry Potter, He has guided thousands of different sects to hold, and to dispute quite uncharitably, many differing opinions.

The third possibility, that you are wrong and the Church is right about what the Holy Spirit teaches, is most probably the correct one.

205 posted on 02/05/2012 2:55:17 PM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: metmom; CynicalBear; Dr. Eckleburg
Yep. THAT answers the question, all right. And is the quote that should be used EVERY time someone claims that Mary is not worshipped. Just how does a RC read that and understand exactly what it is saying? There is no room for loopholes there.

Defending the indefensible in black and white. And they believe they are the Church established by Christ to bring in His Kingdom..

206 posted on 02/05/2012 3:41:18 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: johngrace; daniel1212; metmom; smvoice; caww; Iscool; presently no screen name
>> This refers to Jesus (the “emnity”) and Mary (the “woman”).<<

You have got to be kidding. Jesus is the enmity? You post a diatribe that starts with that nonsense and you expect anyone to read the rest? What absolute and utter nonsense.

207 posted on 02/05/2012 4:23:36 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear; johngrace
Wow. I've never heard THAT one. I would ask for clarification, but I think you're right, CB, why go any further than 'This refers to Jesus (the "emnity")'??
208 posted on 02/05/2012 4:38:57 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice

That was the most ridiculous attempt at reading something into scripture I believe I have ever seen.


209 posted on 02/05/2012 4:41:00 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CommerceComet
Are you suggesting that John the Baptist wasn't of the kingdom?

If it's not painfully obvious that is EXACTLY what Jesus was getting at.....

210 posted on 02/05/2012 4:56:34 PM PST by papertyger
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To: CommerceComet
Even if I agreed with this (and I don't), you still have a lot of other Biblical examples.....

But you see this is the evil heart of the Protestant heresy: to bring accusation against the gentle and mild by turning the Scripture into a book of law....giving their inferences from the text the same weight as "thus sayeth the Lord" without any Scriptural licence to do so, and thus taking the name in vain.

211 posted on 02/05/2012 5:09:32 PM PST by papertyger
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To: metmom
And that is EXACTLY the problem of following men rather than having Scripture be the final authority.

Nooooooooo.

That's the problem of presuming to speak for God by leaning to your own understanding with regard to the right role and usage of Scripture in the life of the Christian.

212 posted on 02/05/2012 5:15:03 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Quix
Klunky, clumsy dodge, BTW.

Because "Robert Tilton" text face is so clever?

213 posted on 02/05/2012 5:19:24 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Quix
I don’t see what the Simeon thing has to do with the current topic, however.

Yes, I know. Though it has been thouroughly explained to you many times in the past, it would appear you simply can not seriously entertain the idea your fundamental approach to heurmanutics is in error, and so will not retain the particulars that prove it.

Simply stated, unless you can show a specific prophesy of the Old Testament addressed to Simeon, informing him that he would not see death until his eyes beheld the Messiah, then your entire formula for making our modern Bible synonymous with the "word of God" spoken of in the Scriptures, and all the doctrines of man that spring from it, is proven to be a lie.

214 posted on 02/05/2012 5:42:45 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Quix
IRC, Christ was making a DISTINCTION BETWEEN John on earth and the saints and other Heavenly personages IN HEAVEN.

Really?

Where does the Scripture explain that to us

I never cease to be amazed by the rank hypocrisy of "Proddies" who give their "nuanced" understanding of "what the Scripture is saying" the same authority as a direct quotation of Christ....

215 posted on 02/05/2012 5:54:55 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
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Still trying to force the Vatican Ashteroth-Mary-Goddess cult's rules & sensibilities on everyone else! LOL

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However, I have saved your preposterous claim to a Word file for future laughs.

216 posted on 02/05/2012 7:22:56 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: CynicalBear
IT"S TEBOW TIME? No! It's CB Time! LOL!! Where you Been!

Able leap over Greek experts From the Greek Orthodox Church with a Greek Dictionary!! LOL!

CB ="You have got to be kidding. Jesus is the enmity?"

The Enmity to the Devil? YES! Hello!

en·mi·ty/ˈenmitē/

The state or feeling of being actively opposed or hostile to someone or something.

Synonyms:

hostility - animosity - antagonism

No offense. But reread about the enmity.

Gen. 3:15

And I will put enmity

between you and the woman,

and between your offspring[a] and hers; he will crush[b] your head,

and you will strike his heel.”

- we see from the very beginning that God gives Mary a unique role in salvation history. God says "I will put enmity between you and the woman, between your seed and her seed." This refers to Jesus's seed (the "emnity") and Mary (the "woman"). The phrase "her seed" (spermatos) is not seen elsewhere in Scripture.

This is addressed to the serpent/devil. The seed is Jesus in his role as the messiah of the future. Also showing regain of paradise lost in the future.

217 posted on 02/05/2012 8:44:20 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace

That makes absolutely no sense. Jesus is not the enmity. Jesus is not “hostility - animosity – antagonism”. The hostility, animosity and antagonism come from Satan. Jesus is the seed that crushes Satan’s head.


218 posted on 02/05/2012 9:05:43 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Quix
However, I have saved your preposterous claim to a Word file for future laughs.

I'm sure it will go well with all those scriptural examples of "spreading the Gospel" though the "alternative aggression" tactics of little girls, who fearing retaliation for physically assaulting their victims, attempt to emotionally injure them through malignant communication strategies. (Of course, that weapon only works against OTHER little girls.....)

219 posted on 02/05/2012 9:35:47 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

What sweetness.

No doubt from the lap of the Ashteroth-goddess figure?


220 posted on 02/05/2012 9:37:12 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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