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To: dartuser
If the Bible is the most authoritative source (primary), does that not imply that any other source is OF NECESSITY secondary?

You begin with a faulty premise. The Bible Neever says it is a Primary source. as a maater of fact it says that the Church is THE primary source.

1 Tim 3:15

so that if I am delayed, you will know how people must conduct themselves in the household of God. This is the church of the living God, which is the pillar and foundation of the truth.

335 posted on 01/31/2012 8:23:40 AM PST by verga (Only the ignorant disdain intelligence.)
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To: verga; dartuser; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; boatbums
Er, if I may...

You begin with a faulty premise. The Bible Neever says it is a Primary source. as a maater of fact it says that the Church is THE primary source.

1 Tim 3:15

so that if I am delayed, you will know how people must conduct themselves in the household of God. This is the church of the living God, which is the pillar and foundation of the truth.

I see this also as begging the question, a logical fallacy, because the meaning of the word "church" is presupposed to be A (the Catholic Church) when to non-Catholic Christians, it is not A but B:

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? - I Cor 6:19

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:9

Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. - I Cor 12:27

And again:

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. - Ephesians 5:24

For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. - Ephesians 5:30-32

And again:

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. - John 15:4-7

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. - I John 2:27

And again:

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. - John 17:20-23

And again:

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. - Revelation 5:6

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. - John 3:5-6

God's Name is I AM.

336 posted on 01/31/2012 9:08:08 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: verga
You begin with a faulty premise. The Bible Neever says it is a Primary source. as a maater of fact it says that the Church is THE primary source.

1 Tim 3:15

Wasn't my premise. It was one of your fellow Catholics ... though I would agree with him on that point, the Bible is the most authoritative source.

If I had a buck for every time a Catholic read the RCC into I Tim. 3:15 ... I would be paying only 15% income tax.

There is nothing in the text that even hints of Rome.

You clearly see what you want to clearly see; but none of what you see is in the text.

337 posted on 01/31/2012 9:18:02 AM PST by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: verga; dartuser
>> This is the church of the living God, which is the pillar and foundation of the truth.<<

What exactly does a pillar or foundation do? Doesn’t it “uphold” rather than being the “source” as you try to say? The church is to uphold the truth found in the scripture not add to it or give interpretations that don’t agree with what scripture teaches.

347 posted on 01/31/2012 2:27:06 PM PST by CynicalBear
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