I think this guy's name was Ugg. Can he be baptized?
Posted on 01/27/2012 8:11:10 PM PST by Colofornian
After wondering aloud yesterday whether the Romneys converted Mitt's dead father-in-law to Mormonism...Yes. They did.
Edward Davies, Ann Romney's father, was an atheist who was also strongly anti-religion. By the time he died, he was the only member of Ann Romney's immediate family to not convert to Mormonism.
Fourteen months later, in 1993, he was baptized in a special ceremony at a Salt Lake City church. This practice requires a living person who has already been baptized to undergo the immersion in water again on behalf of the dead. No word on who this person might have been in Davies' case.
Information on the ceremony was listed on a genealogical database, and another entry on Ancestry.com detailed a separate sealing ceremony that linked Davies to his wife in death...
Baptism of the dead is encouraged by the Church of Latter-day Saints, as it is seen as essential to salvation. But the LDS Church has been criticized for it often. After coming under fire in 1995, the Church agreed to stop baptizing Jewish Holocaust victims posthumously. It had already added tens of thousands to its baptism registry by that time.
Romney's faith has done little to damage his quest for the presidency so far. But the issue pops up once in a while, most recently after Romney's tax returns showed a $4.1 million donation to the Church. There's also evidence to suggest that anti-Mormon sentiment could have given votes to Newt Gingrich in South Carolina.
When Newsweek asked Romney whether he had performed any proxy baptisms in the past, Romney responded "I have in my life, but I haven't recently."
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Sloppy is an understatement.
My Mom is entered three times and not one entry is correct. I contacted them, letting me know I had both the birth certificate and death certificate. I would be happy to send them a copy so they could correct the information and their response was “no, we stand by the entries”.
Once they entered Jesus Christ with “birth place unknown” and his one, two or three wives (depending on the entry)....anyone doing serious genealogy research should take anything they say with a grain of salt.
I wonder if I could track down the post where Resty claimed she worked for Ancestry.com. My first thought was “Oh! That explains SO much!”
I am sure she will get you the answer, under a different name of course. ;-)
Baptism of the Dead is consistent with Mormon theology, although not with Christian doctrine. The person actually baptized is a surrogate for the departed. My understanding is it is like the guy who stands in for the groom at a long distance wedding. Probably nothing that simple, but...
The lunar thing was never a Republican thing. Which is why they pretty much shut down the program after Nixon got into office. This despite the enormous advances that came from the Space program.
The Generations Network is a genealogy discovery company which helps you map your family tree through its online resouces Ancestry.com and MyFamily.com. The company also operates Genealogy.com and RootsWeb.com. The Generations Network has been around since far before the bubble. It started as a print publishing company called Ancestry in 1983. In October 2007 the company was acquired by Spectrum Equity Investors for $300 million dollars.
Wow! The guy is trying to make sure a person he loves enjoys eternal salvation. Damn him I say! Damn him!
Jared Pratt
(1769–1839)Anson Pratt
(1801–1849)Parley P. Pratt
(1807–1857)Orson Pratt
(1811–1881)Sarah M. Pratt
(1817–1888)William Pratt
(1802–1870)Nelson Pratt
(1815–1889)Emeline Billingsley Helaman Pratt
(1846–1909)Anna Wilcken Hannah Hill Miles Park Romney
(1843–1904)Catharine Cottam Rey Pratt
(1878-1931)Anna Amelia Pratt
(1876-1926)Gaskell Romney
(1871–1955)George S. Romney
(1873–1935)Vernon Romney
(1896–1976)Lenore LaFount
(1908–1998)George W. Romney
(1907–1995)Marion G. Romney
(1896–1976)Vernon B. Romney
(born 1924)Ann Davies
(born 1949)Mitt Romney
(born 1947)G. Scott Romney
(born 1941)Ronna Romney (née Stern)
(born 1943)Tagg Romney
(born 1970)Josh Romney
(born 1975)
Yeah, doesn’t mean the LDS don’t own that as well.
Ah yes Parley P Pratt, the early LDS leader who gave us such great doctrinal proclimations such as this one....
That vegetables as well as animals have spirits, is clearly shown from the fact that they have capacity for joy and rejoicing.... We are compelled to believe that every vegetable, whether small or great, has a living intelligent spirit capable of feeling, knowing, and rejoicing in its sphere....
This is the origin of spiritual vegetables in Heaven. These spiritual vegetables are sent from Heaven to the terrestrial worlds, where, like animals, they take natural tabernacles, which become food for the sustenance of the natural tabernacles of the animal creation. Thus the spirits of both vegetables and animals are the offspring of male and female parents which have been raised from the dead, or redeemed from a fallen condition.... Pratt, The Seer, March 1853, pages 34, 38; July 1853, pages 102-103; see also Doctrine and Covenants 77:1-4.
against his will
I too noticed that bit of info!! Things that make you go hmmm
Your conclusion is like somebody holding the leakiest of condoms and giving them to two people he loves but who are near-strangers to each other who are "hooking up" for the night...and then when somebody actually calls them out on it, you respond:
"Wow! The guy is trying to make sure two people he loves enjoys 'salvation' from STDs, AIDS, pregnancy, abortion, etc. D*** him I say! D*** I say!"
When somebody offers up for a "shield" something that is 100% untrustworthy for "protection," then, yup, that's offering up a sense of false security.
In this case, the Mormon message to the world is, "Hey, go & ahead & live anyway you want. We'll come baptize you by proxy & you can make a 'decision' post-death."
How is what Romney did any different than any good Christian who prays for the redemption of someone he cares about. Say I have a Hindu friend who I love and care about. Is it wrong for me to pray that God shows mercy on him and lets him into his kingdom to enjoy eternal bliss? By the same token, if my friend tells me he’s going to pray to Shiva for my soul, do I tell him, “Don’t you dare, you dirty heathen”?
I think this guy's name was Ugg. Can he be baptized?
That's for sure. My decidedly alive although dead-dunked parents' ages were 27 and 20 years off, making them well into their 100's. They sure are holding up well :-) Must be that clean Mormon living. Or,err...wait...deadness!
Do the Mormons actually believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers? Also they baptized Jesus and married him to Lazarus’ sisters Mary and Martha? I didn’t know they taught these things. That is blasphemy. I am sick to my stomach having only researched just 1 day into this odd bunch. God will not be mocked I hope those magic undies they wear are made of asbestos.
“Genealogy *buffs* might appreciate the LDS services, but serious genealogists don’t accept any documentation from there.”
That’s plain wrong. I’ve met many professional genealogists doing research at LDS centers. Some of the records require further documentation, and some don’t. Professional genealogists know the difference.
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