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To: D-fendr; CynicalBear; boatbums; smvoice; caww; presently no screen name
Who is "we."? Define your beliefs that qualify as we and those that don't.

John 3:14-17 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. 16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 10:14-17 14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.

John 14:23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

John 17:6-10 6 “I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. 7 Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you. 8 For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me. 9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. 10 All mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them.

John 17:20-26 20 “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.

24 Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. 26 I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.”

We. As in His sheep, true believers in Christ.

676 posted on 01/22/2012 1:38:51 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

You know it’s rare any discussion follows the scriptures given...no comments about hardly ever... which leads me to assume they don’t read them or don’t have any other defense of their position so they just ignore the scriptures and go on with their rants.


677 posted on 01/22/2012 1:54:38 AM PST by caww
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To: metmom
Like those who followed Core, those who bow down to and worship their, Most High and Holy Self" by reinterpreting Scripture to suit themselves and refuse to accept that Jesus Christ had the right to put others in authority over them are by their own doctrines sentencing themselves to damnation. Since such folks are heretics:

Titus 3:9 but avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law. For they are unprofitable and vain.
Titus 3:10 A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid:
Titus 3:11 Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment.

Those who continue to deny the deity of Christ can fool themselves however they like, but they should get used to the idea of hearing, "I never knew you" from the very Jesus Christ they deny is God.

678 posted on 01/22/2012 1:56:28 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: metmom; Rashputin; D-fendr; boatbums; smvoice; caww; presently no screen name
The idolatry of Catholicism. I deny the deity of a wafer and am accused of denying the deity of Christ. Catholics claim a wafer is not just an “image” of Christ but in fact they claim that wafer IS Christ. They claim they don’t worship an image yet tell us that a wafer is in fact Christ. They treat that wafer as if it IS Christ. I may be in fact denying the deity of their Christ in that sense.
689 posted on 01/22/2012 7:08:05 AM PST by CynicalBear
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