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Jvette, let me ask you something. I have pinged everyone who I could think of that may have a say in this. If I left anyone out, I apologize and ask for their opinion, also.

Why do you think it is that there are no squabbles, or big arguments from me or Cynical Bear or metmom or boatbums or mitch 5501 or marbren or Giovanna Nicoletta or presently no screen name or caww? Just as there are no squabbles or big arguments with you or narses, or D-fendr or rzman21? You are united in one body. We are united in one body. And you honestly believe that you and we are united in the SAME one body? You honestly believe that the HUGE scriptural differences that divide us still have us all together in ONE BODY? That the gospel you believ and the gospel we believe are the same gospel? That when you stand for your beliefs and we stand for our beliefs, we are in exact opposition to each other, yet we are still united in ONE BODY? That the RCC's ideas of "truth" and non-RCs hold the complete opposite meaning of "truth" and yet that somehow doesn't matter, because we are in ONE BODY?

There is nothing even remotely considered similar in our views. Now, how can that be, if we are in the SAME ONE BODY?

Well, I don’t know why you felt the need to ping all those who had no part of this discussion, other than a possible back pat moment with pals or an invitation to pile on, but hey do what you have to do....

I think the reason there is no squabbles on these type threads, and admittedly they are the only ones with which I’m familiar, is because all you mentioned are united in one thing, opposition to the Catholic Church.

It’s understandable, considering what the Church is a represents and the chaos and confusion those outside of her find themselves caught up in.

The more I am here, the more the anger is revealed.

Ah well, enjoy your moment.

To Javette....That the gospel you believ and the gospel we believe are the same gospel?.... That when you stand for your beliefs and we stand for our beliefs, we are in exact opposition to each other, yet we are still united in ONE BODY?..... That the RCC's ideas of "truth" and non-RCs hold the complete opposite meaning of "truth" and yet that somehow doesn't matter, because we are in ONE BODY? There is nothing even remotely considered similar in our views. Now, how can that be, if we are in the SAME ONE BODY?

I'll address this from how I see it...The more I learn of Catholicism teachings the more I see they have moved far from the Gospel message....and are actually delivering something very different in it's place..... The message is one of bondage where Christ sets us free....the teachings are diametrically opposed to what Jesus himself stated we should not listen to or do.....the rituals and various other requirements mislead individuals and by doing so innocent people never reach the High calling of God in Christ Jesus....rather they fall under the law and devotion to a leader/Pope and it's Magisterium...all which oppose Christ's teachings via the traditions they claim as having the same authority as the scriptures...and that's a lie.

I could of course go on about having learned about catholicism..much right here from those who are catholics....the rest from the Vatican site....and that which it requires of it's members.

So I would therefore say that No...I do not see myself as in unity with most catholics and certainly not to their teachings....nor would I ever desire so...it's enough for me to agree with Christ that He is sufficient for me and trust Him for the teachings he would have me learn...always and ever confirmed by His written word...not by a group of men who claim to be His representation on earth...they are not.

Thanks for the ping smvoice...

I have posted where I stand on the issue of Unity. And of course joining with the catholic church in their endevors for unity is not a consideration. They and others are leading a blind public the wrong way and many will follow that piper for they are willingly ignorant of what the scriptures speak. Catholics will follow because the Pope says to.

And thank you also for making very clear that there is a great gap between catholicism and the protestant faith....I sometimes think they can ignore the reformation but it’s basic purpose remains to this day..and perhaps even more necessary as the catholic church veers over the cliff it’s heading.

>>Now, how can that be, if we are in the SAME ONE BODY? <<

Those who believe that works are needed for salvation are NOT part of the body of Christ. They deny grace and deny the finished work of Christ on the Cross.

Gal. 2:21, I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.

Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."