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To: Jvette; GiovannaNicoletta; marbren; mitch5501; metmom; presently no screen name; CynicalBear
"The Gospel of Grace is not different or separate from the Gospel of the Kingdom. There is only one Gospel of Jesus, which is the same for all."

I am saying that the Gospel of the Kingdom did NOT include the REVELATION that Christ died FOR OUR SINS, as Acts 1 & 2 point out clearly. That Peter and the 11 were given a different commission (to the circumcision) than Paul was given (to the uncircumcision). That Peter and the 11 were preaching about and to a KINGDOM OF BELIEVERS (Israel), and Paul was preaching about and to a BODY OF BELIEVERS (The Church the Body of Christ). That the Kingdom involves Christ's return to this EARTH to reign over His Kingdom that He will establish upon His return. That it was prophesied and will be fulfilled, just as the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenant God made with Israel says. That the Body of Christ was NEVER prophesied but kept secret from the foundation of the world by God, and our inheritance and promises are in the heavenlies.

"And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, YE ALSO SHALL SIT UPON TWELVE THRONES, JUDGING THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL." Matt. 19:28.

Jesus said this to Peter and the 11. Was Christ lying? Did He not promise them they would sit on twelve thrones judging ISRAEL? Do you think He meant to say they would be judging ALL NATIONS? They are to judge the twelve tribes of Israel during the MILLENIAL REIGN OF CHRIST, THE KINGDOM.

So...if Christ was telling them the TRUTH, where does that leave Paul? Are they going to pull up an extra throne for him to sit at during the Kingdom reign of Christ? And who will he be judging? He preached a gospel of the Grace of God, where there is neither Jew nor Greek. So where does that leave HIM during the Millenial Reign of Christ on this Earth?

It leaves him exactly where he said WE, the Church the BOdy of Christ, said we would be. IN THE HEAVENLIES. Our inheritance is heavenly. We will be judging the angels and saints (1 Cor. Chapter 6). Paul is part of the Body of Christ, NOT the Kingdom, promised to Israel, where they will be a Nation of Priests, and a blessing to all the world.

EVERYTHING is based on Christ's shed blood for us, ALL of us who believe. And it is ALL based on the grace of God. Without His reaching down to man, NONE of us would be able to reach Him. But our INHERITANCE and the PROMISES TO US, the Body of Christ, is DIFFERENT that the INHERITANCE and the PROMISES TO THE NATION ISRAEL.

Which is obvious if Scripture were read, and not read INTO.

404 posted on 01/20/2012 7:54:26 AM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: Jvette; GiovannaNicoletta; marbren; mitch5501; metmom; CynicalBear; presently no screen name
After I posted #404 to you, I realized something.

If you do not believe the Bible is to be taken LITERALLY, then all the Scripture in the world is not enough to show you. If you do not believe that Christ is LITERALLY going to return to this Earth to LITERALLY reign for 1000 years in His Kingdom that He is LITERALLY going to set up at His return, that there are going to be REAL people on this EARTH during those 1000 years, and that Israel is LITERALLY going to be a Nation of priests and a blessing to ALL REAL NATIONS, then what good is my giving you Scripture? If you don't believe that Peter and the 11 are going to be sitting on 12 LITERAL THRONES judging the twelve tribes of Israel, then LITERAL SCRIPTURE does NO GOOD.

If you believe all of this is SPIRITUAL and not LITERAL, then the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants God made with the Nation Israel are of no consequence. And He did not SAY WHAT HE MEANT, and MEAN WHAT HE SAID.

So, the question is, do you believe that the Bible is to be taken LITERALLY, or that these things are to be taken in a Spiritual context only?

407 posted on 01/20/2012 8:12:57 AM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice
>> Which is obvious if Scripture were read, and not read INTO.<<

Amen and Amen!

408 posted on 01/20/2012 8:15:39 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: smvoice

The big flaw in your mistaken understanding of Jesus, His Church and Israel is in the fact that Peter and the others not only accept and approve Paul, they embrace the revelations to him and include that in their preaching on Jesus.

Those Jews who did not reject Jesus, do not remain simply Jews, but the first converts to Christianity.

What you fail to see is that Paul is the first example of one called after the ascension of Jesus. The revelation to Peter regarding the Gentiles opens the door to the revelations to Paul.

In these successions of events, we see exactly what Jesus promised, that the Holy Spirit would lead them to all truth and thus, the workings of the Holy Spirit through the Church.

Now as for the Twelve Tribes, which you deny include the adopted sons and daughters. A view that is rejected by many Christian scholars and theologians, by the way.

It is interesting that James writes to the twelve tribes which are dispersed abroad. It is interesting because, 10 of the 12 are called the “lost tribes”. These lost tribes were subsumed/absorbed into the nations to which they were dispersed when they were conquered by the Assyrians. So, then why does James address his letter to them?

There is a whole lot more to all this than what you and others who believe as you do have focused on.

That is why it important to know and understand the Bible in complete synchronicity and not divide parts up to support error. To do so negates the what is said in the OT, what Jesus said, and even what Paul said.


441 posted on 01/20/2012 11:45:37 AM PST by Jvette
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