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To: D-fendr
We can be pretty sure salvation was important to Paul, he wrote quite a bit about it. If his point of view was: "We are saved by faith alone," he almost certainly would have said so. But he didn't.

No he didn't...We aren't saved by faith at all...What he said is:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

We are saved BY grace, THRU faith, that it is a GIFT, a free gift, WITHOUT a single work on our part...

Now if you can't reconcile that with what James tells us, you don't have a clue what's on God's mind...Or how to get saved in this age...And you are being dishonest in my opinion by disregarding some scripture as though it doesn't exist to apparently sell your position...

401 posted on 01/20/2012 6:30:14 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool
Now if you can't reconcile that with what James tells us, you don't have a clue what's on God's mind..

I see. I didn't know I was debating God on here, I thought it was humans.

But, how do you reconcile it? Without "disregarding some scripture as though it doesn't exist to apparently sell your position..."

Paul just does not teach Sola Scriptura. Luther himself had to add the word "alone" to make it work.

This is the problem of proof texting your way to the error of Sola Scriptura, you must change or disregard some scripture, James, Christ, Paul too:

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile


425 posted on 01/20/2012 10:07:14 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Iscool
Sorry, in my last reply, should be:

Paul just does not teach Sola Fide...

430 posted on 01/20/2012 10:41:08 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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