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To: CynicalBear

Really, so now you are saying that Jesus didn’t give the name Rock to Peter?

Or are you saying that Jesus gave that name to all the Apostles?

NO? When He said to Peter, YOU ARE ROCK, He was really speaking to Peter’s revelation and not to Peter.

As I said, no way to rationally explain it away.


1,040 posted on 01/28/2012 7:14:36 PM PST by Jvette
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To: Jvette

Scripture is clear. Jesus is the Rock the church is built on, not Peter.


1,041 posted on 01/28/2012 7:23:29 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Jvette
NO? When He said to Peter, YOU ARE ROCK, He was really speaking to Peter’s revelation and not to Peter. As I said, no way to rationally explain it away.

And you are correct. However, the Reformation was not based upon rationality, rather, rationalization. Well said.

1,044 posted on 01/28/2012 7:34:46 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Jvette; CynicalBear; boatbums; smvoice; caww; presently no screen name; RnMomof7; ...

Nobody is saying that Jesus didn’t change Peter’s name to *petros* - rock.

But it’s not the same at the *petra* rock on which the church is built.

If the Catholic church is so dependent on a translation to bolster its doctrine of Peter being the rock simply because two different Greek words for rock are both translated into one word for rock in English, it just goes to show how desperately grasping at straws they are and how weak their justification for the office of pope is.

http://concordances.org/greek/4074.htm
Petros: “a stone” or “a boulder,”

4074 Petros (a masculine noun) – properly, a stone (pebble), such as a small rock found along a pathway. 4074 /Petros (”small stone”) then stands in contrast to 4073 /petra (”cliff, boulder,” Abbott-Smith).

“4074 (Petros) is an isolated rock and 4073 (petra) is a cliff” (TDNT, 3, 100). “4074 (Petros) always means a stone . . . such as a man may throw, . . . versus 4073 (petra), a projecting rock, cliff” (S. Zodhiates, Dict).

http://concordances.org/greek/4073.htm
petra: a (large mass of) rock

4073 petra (a feminine noun) – “a mass of connected rock,” which is distinct from 4074 (Petros) which is “a detached stone or boulder” (A-S). 4073 (petra) is a “solid or native rock, rising up through the earth” (Souter) – a huge mass of rock (a boulder), such as a projecting cliff.

4073 (petra) is “a projecting rock, cliff (feminine noun) . . . 4074 (petros, the masculine form) however is a stone . . . such as a man might throw” (S. Zodhiates, Dict).


1,059 posted on 01/28/2012 9:02:01 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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