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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

If she was conceived sinless and lived a sinless life, then she didn’t need a savior.

And so she lied when she called God her savior.

ooops....


253 posted on 01/18/2012 10:24:04 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

You’re wasting your time, noone but God himself can show a Catholic his error concerning Mary.


254 posted on 01/18/2012 10:25:35 AM PST by Scythian
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To: metmom

— If she was conceived sinless and lived a sinless life, then she didn’t need a savior.—

This topic was much debated in the early Church. The resolution is that Mary was saved in anticipation of Christ’s redeeming sacrifice. See CCC 492

From Catholic Answers:

Let’s take the second citation first. Mary, too, required a Savior. Like all other descendants of Adam, she was subject to the necessity of contracting original sin. But by a special intervention of God, undertaken at the instant she was conceived, she was preserved from the stain of original sin and its consequences. She was therefore redeemed by the grace of Christ, but in a special way—by anticipation. 

Consider an analogy: Suppose a man falls into a deep pit, and someone reaches down to pull him out. The man has been “saved” from the pit. Now imagine a woman walking along, and she too is about to topple into the pit, but at the very moment that she is to fall in, someone holds her back and prevents her. She too has been saved from the pit, but in an even better way: She was not simply taken out of the pit, she was prevented from getting stained by the mud in the first place.

This is the illustration Christians have used for a thousand years to explain how Mary was saved by Christ. By receiving Christ’s grace at her conception, she had his grace applied to her before she was able to become mired in original sin and its stain. 

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that she was “redeemed in a more exalted fashion, by reason of the merits of her Son” (CCC 492). She has more reason to call God her Savior than we do, because he saved her in an even more glorious manner! 


262 posted on 01/18/2012 10:41:57 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: metmom
The dogma is defined in Ineffabilis Deus, 1854,” as follows:

The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moments of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the Human race, preserved immune from all stain of Original Sin. “

How do you get from that to your statement?

284 posted on 01/18/2012 12:05:28 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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