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To: metmom

First, I doubt that you will object to this passagef rom The Catechism:

970 “Mary’s function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin’s salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it.”513 “No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source.”514

So how do we reconcile the Catechism with prayers beseeching the intercession of St. Michael, for example? It’s simply understood that St. Michael’s power to defend us from “the wickedness and snares of the devil” derives from God.

I might say to my cancer surgeon, “you’re my only hope!” But I wouldn’t consider him my “only hope” in the way I regard God as my only hope.

Most of this controversy seems to stem from ambiguous language or figures of speech, which is why I refer to the Catechism for clear, doctrinal language.


231 posted on 01/18/2012 9:06:35 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; metmom
It’s simply understood that St. Michael’s power to defend us from “the wickedness and snares of the devil” derives from God.

Why are lies simply understood? What part of St Michael can't do anything for you don't you get? YOU are to resist satan - READ THE GOOD BOOK!!

It's a LIE to say that St Michael can defend you comes from God. Only satan would have you believe that.

"Submit yourselves to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." James 4:7 You submit to GOD, not Mary.

"Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes." Ephesians 6:11

Where is St. Michael mentioned there?
235 posted on 01/18/2012 9:39:37 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; presently no screen name
Most of this controversy seems to stem from ambiguous language or figures of speech, which is why I refer to the Catechism for clear, doctrinal language.

Just... wow.....

I can't see anything less clear than Catholic statements on anything. They're written so that anything can be gleaned from it and it can support any unscriptural doctrine.

236 posted on 01/18/2012 9:42:36 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; presently no screen name
Most of this controversy seems to stem from ambiguous language or figures of speech, which is why I refer to the Catechism for clear, doctrinal language.

Just... wow.....

I can't see anything less clear than Catholic statements on anything. They're written so that anything can be gleaned from it and it can support any unscriptural doctrine.

Catholics are forever telling us that Scripture and CCC don't mean what they say but rather Scripture and CCC mean what the Church says it means.

237 posted on 01/18/2012 9:44:16 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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