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To: gghd; smvoice; metmom
>> We know Christ built a Church & it was built on Peter.<<

Nonsense. The church is built on Christ. There is no other Rock.

Deut. 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

2 Sam. 22:2 And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; 3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.

Psalm 18:31, "And who is a rock, except our God."

Isaiah 44:8, "Is there any God besides Me, or is there any other Rock? I know of none."

Rom. 9:33, "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, and he who believes in Him will not be disappointed."

1 Cor. 3:11, "For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ,"

1 Cor. 10:4, "and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock (petras) which followed them; and the rock (petra) was Christ."

>> Holy Mother our Church makes sense.<<

Not when you read scripture.

Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Believe what you will but scripture contradicts the CC all to often to trust your eternal future to that type of organization.

818 posted on 01/13/2012 11:36:25 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

***There is no other Rock.***

Scripture says otherwise, indeed, Jesus says otherwise.

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Remind me again, what does Peter mean? And, who was it that changed Simon’s name to Peter?

Oh, that’s right, it was JESUS.

Why did He change Simon’s name to rock?


861 posted on 01/13/2012 12:28:30 PM PST by Jvette
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To: CynicalBear; D-fendr; smvoice; metmom

From a Protestant Bible (NIV) Matthew 16: 17-19, ‘And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

I didn’t say the word ‘rock’ but you knew Peter means Rock. You must know at that moment in the fullness of time Jesus Christ changed the name of Simon to Peter (rock). In the Bible, Jesus is building a Church. I recommend you find the Church established by Jesus Christ. Until 1054 AD there was basically ONE Church until the split between East & West.

The Catholic Church is aware of all the passages in the Bible as the Bible came out of the Church. When Jesus Christ ascended into Heaven, He left behind a visible Church to carry-on his work here on Earth. Jesus Christ is the Head & the Church is his Body. (Yet, we Christians are the hands & feet of Jesus doing his work.) If the Catholic Church was just a group of people, it would NOT have lasted for the last TWO THOUSAND years. God is the ‘glue’ that holds it together as the Church truly is the Body of Christ.

Your argument is NOT with me but it’s actually with God. Bless you for reading the Bible. I encourage you to keep reading the Bible. Please try & spot your Church some place in the Bible & then trace your Church through the centuries. Jesus Christ established a Church & the Gates of Hell will not prevail over it.

I keep repeating this obvious observation about the Bible. Jesus Christ did NOT walk the Holy Lands with a sack of Bibles while handing them out saying, ‘read this & argue about it.’ + Jesus did not leave us ‘totally lost’ like a motherless child. Jesus Christ gave us ‘Holy Mother Church’ that provides love & care that only comes from a Mother’s Heart. The Bible & our knowledge about Jesus Christ has come to us through a Church. I recommend you find the Church established by Jesus Christ.


914 posted on 01/13/2012 2:11:59 PM PST by gghd
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