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[1] And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: [2] And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered. [3] And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems: [4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. [5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne.

I find it so disordered that protestants cling to the phrase, "where is that in the Bible" as if God has been sitting IDLY up there in Heaven for the past 2000 years since the Bible was written and not communicating to people here on earth. Also find it very frustrating that the same protestants that cling to the "where is that in the Bible" phrase refuse to even accept it all, as in the above quote.

So you think the woman of Revelation 12 is Mary ey? Then you also have to believe that Mary returns to earth?

Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Now if you put away that Catholic propaganda and understand that the woman represents Israel it becomes clear.

Sorry, your "proof text" is a fail.

I find it so disordered that protestants cling to the phrase, "where is that in the Bible" as if God has been sitting IDLY up there in Heaven for the past 2000 years since the Bible was written and not communicating to people here on earth. Also find it very frustrating that the same protestants that cling to the "where is that in the Bible" phrase refuse to even accept it all, as in the above quote.

It isn't so "disordered" at all simply because even Catholics agree that the Bible is the Divinely-inspired word of God and is infallible. Because that is a true statment, we hold that all doctrine for the Christian faith should be able to be proved by Scripture. In fact, we had the exact same section of Revelation brought up in a thread a few weeks ago - things do have a way of repeating themselves here. This is a good site to go to to see a Biblically-based interpretation of that chapter in Revelation: http://www.biblrytr.com/revelation11.htm.

Remember: this chapter is dealing with symbols. The woman is a symbol, the child is a symbol and other creatures (soon to be introduced) are also symbols of persons or groups. The woman is a relatively easy symbol to interpret. She is a picture of the nation Israel. Similar symbolism appears throughout the Scripture, as far back as Joseph's dreams in the book of Genesis. This woman is apparently greatly favored by God: you'll notice the glory of the sun as her clothing, and the moon under her feet. The crown on her head speaks of the 12 tribes of Israel, each destined to benefit from the timeless promises of God to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Please notice that there are not 24 stars in her crown; the woman is NOT a symbol of all believers of both the Old and New Testaments, like the 24 elders are. This is Israel, greatly beloved and uniquely favored by God.