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To: bondserv; D-fendr; RnMomof7

The passages in Acts that gave an example that we ALL need a Church to understand scripture was NOT cited by accident.

The Catholic Church teaches that Mary is Human & the Honor given to her is a ‘Devotion’ & it is so stated in the Catholic Catechism. Adoration (Worship) is for God. I know you do NOT get your understanding of the Catholic Church from its documents. There is a lot of misinformation about the Catholic Church. You can read about Martin Luther & Henry the VIII as they lied about the Catholic Church because they wanted to be ‘The Pope’ of their own church.

Mary is presented in Scripture as having Humility which is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Understanding of Scripture needs to be taught by the Church as it was the Church (first Apostles) the Holy Spirit descended upon> Pentecost Sunday.

Luke1: 19, when the Angel Gabriel greeted Mary, ‘She was greatly troubled at this statement, and kept pondering what kind of salutation this might be.’ Either someone has Humility or they don’t. The Church teaches this is True Humility =’Troubled’ that an Angel of God would speak to her. All through Scripture she has the ‘pure-beauty’ of True Humility.

True Humility says, ‘Behold, the bondslave of the Lord; be it done to me according to your Word.’ Those words do NOT come from a confused person. Please Pray on it. + We all need to pray for True Humility.

Have you ever listened to someone WITHOUT True Humility before God. They say things like, ‘God’s going to have to answer to us about the way things are going down here. I need to tell GOD how things should be fixed.’ A person WITHOUT humility would have replied to the Angel, ‘It’s about time God contacted me as I have a lot of good-ideas.’ You hear people say things like that ALL the time.

It’s possible to look on the Internet for the early writings of the Church Father’s. Protestants have collected the documents & translated them too. In the documents you’ll find, Mary has been considered always without sin since the foundation of the Church. Catholics would call it part of the Apostolic Tradition.

Protestants sometimes make an erroneous comment about The Pope in 1854 releasing a document about the Immaculate Conception. The name of Christopher’s ship in 1492 was ‘La Santa Maria de la Inmaculate Concepcion.’ You do NOT have to speak Spanish to translate that one. Please read the old documents from the beginning.

Jesus as True God & True Man was WITHOUT sin. Jesus had to follow the commands too. Jesus had to HONOR his mother. (Jesus as the MAN was obligated.) Jesus also being True God & True Man decided to REDEEM his mother BEFORE she was conceived. This is the IMMACULATE CONCEPTION OF MARY.

We will all stand before God on Judgment Day. We all know it’s not wise to call someones’ mother a ‘sinner’ here on earth; especially if that someone is our ‘best friend.’ It might >not be wise to go up to Heaven calling Jesus’ mother a sinner. (Talkin’ trash about someones’ mother be fightin’ words!)

Don’t tell me what you would do on this example. BUT, please tell your mother what you would do! You are walking along and there is a mud-puddle & you know YOUR MOTHER will fall into it. Do YOU ‘save’ her BEFORE she falls into the mud-puddle? or do you WAIT until she falls INTO the mud-puddle & then pull her out of the mud?

We Christians know Jesus HONORED his mother & kept her from falling into the ‘mud’ of SIN & redeemed her before she was conceived. One of the Titles of Mary is: ‘Ark of the New Covenant’ as she carried Jesus in her Womb. Jesus as God created a perfect place to dwell. YES, Mary, like all of us needed a Savior & God ‘Saved’ her before she was conceived. The Mystery of God & His plan for our Salvation.


708 posted on 01/12/2012 9:51:16 PM PST by gghd
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To: gghd

Very interesting and well-said. Thanks for your posts.


724 posted on 01/13/2012 2:38:37 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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