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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; editor-surveyor; CynicalBear; RnMomof7; boatbums
let’s see how intellectually honest the non-Catholics are, will anyone condemn the “untruths” in #530??

It's in the Catechism of the Catholic church itself.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P1J.HTM

460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81

654 posted on 01/12/2012 8:36:07 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

the mask is slipping again.

ok, here we go , one more time.

you are supposed to be an ex-catholic, keep the story somewhat plausible by at least TRYING to come close to what the Catholic Faith teaches. i am trying to prop you up, but you keep embarassing yourself with posts that a first grader knows aren’t true.

my search continues..........


657 posted on 01/12/2012 8:44:27 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: metmom
The quote you have highlighted is from the writings of St. Anathasius which should be read in their totality since you seem very confused by what he meant. This is the phrase in the original Greek "autos gar enenthropesen hina hemeis theopoiethomen" Which is more precisly translated as, "He became man in order that we might be divinized" (De Incarnatione 54 The meaning of which is explained rather well in this passage, "Man ever remains what he is, that is, creature. But he is promised and granted, in Christ Jesus, the Word become man, an intimate sharing in what is Divine: Life Everlasting and incorruptible. The main characteristic of theosis is, according to the Fathers, precisely “immortality” or “incorruption.” For God alone “has immortality”�ho monos echon athanasian (I Tim. 6:16). But man now is admitted into an intimate “communion” with God, through Christ and by the power of the Holy Spirit. And this is much more than just a ‘moral” communion, and much more than just a human perfection. Only the word theosis can render adequately the uniqueness of the promise and offer. The term theosis is indeed quite embarrassing, if we would think in “ontological” categories. Indeed, man simply cannot “become” god. But the Fathers were thinking in “personal” terms, and the mystery of personal communion was involved at this point. Theosis meant a personal encounter. It is that intimate intercourse of man with God, in which the whole of human existence is, as it were, permeated by the Divine Presence" The above is an excerpt, the complete article can be found here: http://benedictseraphim.wordpress.com/2006/03/16/st-gregory-palamas-and-theosis/
703 posted on 01/12/2012 9:43:52 PM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: metmom

I’m trying again cause I totally messed up the paragraph breaks.

The quote you have highlighted is from the writings of St. Anathasius which should be read in context since you seem very confused by what he meant.

This is the phrase in the original Greek “autos gar enenthropesen hina hemeis theopoiethomen” Which is more precisly translated as, “He became man in order that we might be divinized” (De Incarnatione 54 ) The meaning of which is explained rather well in this passage,

“Man ever remains what he is, that is, creature. But he is promised and granted, in Christ Jesus, the Word become man, an intimate sharing in what is Divine: Life Everlasting and incorruptible. The main characteristic of theosis is, according to the Fathers, precisely “immortality” or “incorruption.” For God alone “has immortalityho monos echon athanasian (I Tim. 6:16).

But man now is admitted into an intimate “communion” with God, through Christ and by the power of the Holy Spirit. And this is much more than just a ‘moral” communion, and much more than just a human perfection.

Only the word theosis can render adequately the uniqueness of the promise and offer. The term theosis is indeed quite embarrassing, if we would think in “ontological” categories. Indeed, man simply cannot “become” god. But the Fathers were thinking in “personal” terms, and the mystery of personal communion was involved at this point. Theosis meant a personal encounter.

It is that intimate intercourse of man with God, in which the whole of human existence is, as it were, permeated by the Divine Presence”

The above is an excerpt, the complete article can be found here:

http://benedictseraphim.wordpress.com/2006/03/16/st-gregory-palamas-and-theosis/


711 posted on 01/12/2012 10:03:52 PM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: metmom
Yes, the bible does say, "Ye shall be gods." But that work is not completed. And by "partake," is meant, "to participate, to be given a portion." But we will not be gods in the Mormon or pagan sense. There will be no planets to rule, or forces of nature to control. Those who are saved will be gods in the sense that they shall never die, they shall be indefatiguible and perfected (as opposed to He who is perfect from the beginning).

The notion of deification is unsettling to the modern ear, because it suggests a separate will which can oppose God. That is why context is everything; the passage you cite in the Catechism teaches that godliness is attained through sacrificing one's own self, not glorifying it:

456 With the Nicene Creed, we answer by confessing: "For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven; by the power of the Holy Spirit, he became incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and was made man."

457 The Word became flesh for us in order to save us by reconciling us with God, who "loved us and sent his Son to be the expiation for our sins": "the Father has sent his Son as the Saviour of the world", and "he was revealed to take away sins":70

Sick, our nature demanded to be healed; fallen, to be raised up; dead, to rise again. We had lost the possession of the good; it was necessary for it to be given back to us. Closed in the darkness, it was necessary to bring us the light; captives, we awaited a Saviour; prisoners, help; slaves, a liberator. Are these things minor or insignificant? Did they not move God to descend to human nature and visit it, since humanity was in so miserable and unhappy a state?71

458 The Word became flesh so that thus we might know God's love: "In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him."72 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."73

459 The Word became flesh to be our model of holiness: "Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me." "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me."74 On the mountain of the Transfiguration, the Father commands: "Listen to him!"75 Jesus is the model for the Beatitudes and the norm of the new law: "Love one another as I have loved you."76 This love implies an effective offering of oneself, after his example.77

460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81

Oh, and do check ou the references:

70 I ⇒ Jn 4:10; ⇒ 4:14; ⇒ 3:5.

71 St. Gregory of Nyssa, Orat. catech 15: PG 45, 48B.

72 ⇒ I Jn 4:9.

73 ⇒ Jn 3:16.

74 ⇒ Mt 11:29; ⇒ Jn 14:6.

75 ⇒ Mk 9:7; cf. Dt 6:4-5.

76 ⇒ Jn 15:12.

77 Cf. ⇒ Mk 8:34.

78 ⇒ 2 Pt 1:4.

79 St. Irenaeus, Adv. haeres. 3, 19, 1: PG 7/1, 939.

80 St. Athanasius, De inc. 54, 3: PG 25, 192B.

81 St. Thomas Aquinas, Opusc. 57, 1-4.

82 ⇒ Jn 1:14.

A brief explanation of the Catholic position: http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a124.htm

716 posted on 01/12/2012 10:34:04 PM PST by dangus
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To: metmom; one Lord one faith one baptism; editor-surveyor; RnMomof7; boatbums; smvoice; verga; ...
Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

The Catholic Church says:
CCC 460 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."

Eerily similar language it seems to me.

731 posted on 01/13/2012 5:22:29 AM PST by CynicalBear
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