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To: Just mythoughts
Mat 12:32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him neither in this world, nor in the world to come.

So, you want to split hairs over how Jesus Christ will deny that He knows someone after they speak against the Holy Ghost by saying the Holy Ghost did not do what Christ promised the Holy Ghost would do? How typical indeed of all those who worship The Most Holy Self

It's straight foward:

James said, “... not by faith only”.

Anyone who thinks James is wrong, that James lied or that James was misquoted, is saying that the Holy Spirit did not lead James or did not oversee and ensure the Truth of the Scriptures.

Anyone who says the Holy Spirit did not guide the Apostles and insure that the Scriptures are not in error is calling Jesus Christ a liar.

Anyone who calls Jesus Christ a liar is denying that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, God from God, incapable of telling a lie. Obviously, when someone insists that a particular thing that Christ promised is a lie, they are calling Christ a liar whether they realize that or not.

When someone goes even further and blatantly calls Christ Himself a liar by denying that He is present in the bread and wine when we remember Him, they are deliberately denying the deity of Christ by directly calling Christ a liar.

For those who claim to have once been Catholic but obviously have no knowledge of what the Catholic Church really teaches and want to split haris over "anathema":

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law. For they are unprofitable and vain.
Titus 3:10 A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid:
Titus 3:11 Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment.

Those who continue to deny the deity of Christ can fool themselves however they like, but they should get used to the idea of hearing, "I never knew you" from the very Jesus Christ they deny is God.

1,704 posted on 01/19/2012 12:21:43 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: Rashputin
Mat 12:32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him neither in this world, nor in the world to come.

I find it most helpful to know the 'subject' and to whom, when, where, what, and why Christ instructed... That means who was Christ talking to when He gave this instruction? Well, according to verse 24 of Matthew 12 the Pharisees heard and saw the 'WORKS' of Christ and said, "This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebus the prince of the devils." Christ KNEW their thoughts and said unto them..... again I can only guess the Catholic Bible has the rest of the verses which leads up to Christ telling them and us what about a 'specific' time appointed wherein those that 'refuse' to allow the Holy Spirit to speak is the unpardonable sin. I am guessing that I will be required to point to this pronouncement, so it is found in Mark 13:11 and this is the only unpardonable sin, to refuse the Holy Spirit to speak when delivered up before the religious authorities.

So, you want to split hairs over how Jesus Christ will deny that He knows someone after they speak against the Holy Ghost by saying the Holy Ghost did not do what Christ promised the Holy Ghost would do? How typical indeed of all those who worship The Most Holy Self

IF quoting Christ is now accused as hair splitting then so be it, I am NOT intimitated by traditions of man that take Scripture and cut keys to open doors of their doctrines. I added nothing nor took away to the WORD Christ spoke in regard to those He would be telling to get lost because they made up their own doctrines.

It's straight foward: James said, “... not by faith only”. Anyone who thinks James is wrong, that James lied or that James was misquoted, is saying that the Holy Spirit did not lead James or did not oversee and ensure the Truth of the Scriptures. Anyone who says the Holy Spirit did not guide the Apostles and insure that the Scriptures are not in error is calling Jesus Christ a liar. Anyone who calls Jesus Christ a liar is denying that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, God from God, incapable of telling a lie. Obviously, when someone insists that a particular thing that Christ promised is a lie, they are calling Christ a liar whether they realize that or not. When someone goes even further and blatantly calls Christ Himself a liar by denying that He is present in the bread and wine when we remember Him, they are deliberately denying the deity of Christ by directly calling Christ a liar. For those who claim to have once been Catholic but obviously have no knowledge of what the Catholic Church really teaches and want to split haris over "anathema": Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law. For they are unprofitable and vain. Titus 3:10 A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: Titus 3:11 Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment. Those who continue to deny the deity of Christ can fool themselves however they like, but they should get used to the idea of hearing, "I never knew you" from the very Jesus Christ they deny is God. So, you want to split hairs over how Jesus Christ will deny that He knows someone after they speak against the Holy Ghost by saying the Holy Ghost did not do what Christ promised the Holy Ghost would do? How typical indeed of all those who worship The Most Holy Self It's straight foward: James said, “... not by faith only”. Anyone who thinks James is wrong, that James lied or that James was misquoted, is saying that the Holy Spirit did not lead James or did not oversee and ensure the Truth of the Scriptures. Anyone who says the Holy Spirit did not guide the Apostles and insure that the Scriptures are not in error is calling Jesus Christ a liar. Anyone who calls Jesus Christ a liar is denying that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, God from God, incapable of telling a lie. Obviously, when someone insists that a particular thing that Christ promised is a lie, they are calling Christ a liar whether they realize that or not. When someone goes even further and blatantly calls Christ Himself a liar by denying that He is present in the bread and wine when we remember Him, they are deliberately denying the deity of Christ by directly calling Christ a liar. For those who claim to have once been Catholic but obviously have no knowledge of what the Catholic Church really teaches and want to split haris over "anathema": Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law. For they are unprofitable and vain. Titus 3:10 A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: Titus 3:11 Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment. Those who continue to deny the deity of Christ can fool themselves however they like, but they should get used to the idea of hearing, "I never knew you" from the very Jesus Christ they deny is God.

I do NOT disagree with what James wrote. Our 'works' are what clothes us 'Spiritually' speaking, when we return to the Maker that sent us to take this flesh journey and our works represents the depth/breath of faith.

Ah, fortunately for all God's children only the Father will judge. AND an earthly church has NO power to save or judge, they are suppose to 'feed MY sheep', and Christ was NOT promoting 'soup kitchens', He was speaking about 'food' for the soul.

Sometimes it is impossible to figure out who or what is the object of worship, a geographical location, a church, a statue, or some man's pious stature. Only God saves, and He said that it would be through 'belief' in His only begotten Son. The Holy Spirit is our Comforter given us until the return of our Lord and Saviour. AND the Holy Spirit is NOT going to do anything that goes against what is Written.

Christ was a 'protestant' first, as it was the 'religious' authority that wanted His head for upsetting their treasury.

1,705 posted on 01/19/2012 1:03:18 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Rashputin; Just mythoughts
It's straight foward: James said, “... not by faith only”.

Cherry picking a few words out of one verse is a dangerous route to go for correct Bible interpretation.

Saying that salvation is by works contradicts chapters of verses that say otherwise. It's denying everything Paul wrote. Same for what Peter said in his preaching in Acts.

Jesus Himself said that all we had to do was believe to be saved. Jesus said that to do the work of God who sent Him is to believe in the one He sent (Jesus). Those verses have been provided upthread.

So the charge of calling Jesus a liar can go both ways. It's not wise to lob that charge in the first place if all you're working on is four cherry picked words.

Galatians 3 1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

15 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

1,713 posted on 01/19/2012 6:41:29 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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