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To: metmom
I realize it's tough for some people to see past their rabid anti-Catholicism, but:

Jesus Christ said the Holy Spirit would lead the Apostles to all truth.

(everyone who does not deny that Jesus Christ is God will be guided to the Truth, not everyone who spins their own web of personal interpretation or accepts what that who worship The Most High Self tells them)

James said, “... not by faith only”.

Anyone who thinks James is wrong, that James lied or that James was misquoted, is saying that the Holy Spirit did not lead James or did not oversee and ensure the Truth of the Scriptures.

Anyone who says the Holy Spirit did not guide the Apostles and insure that the Scriptures are not in error is calling Jesus Christ a liar.

Anyone who calls Jesus Christ a liar is denying that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, God from God, incapable of telling a lie. Obviously, when someone insists that a particular thing that Christ promised is a lie, they are calling Christ a liar whether they realize that or not.

When someone goes even further and blatantly calls Christ Himself a liar by denying that He is present in the bread and wine when we remember Him, they are deliberately denying the deity of Christ by directly calling Christ a liar.

"Show Me" replies are always a joke coming from those who routinely post the very doctrines that within their very definition deny the deity of Christ. Some such folks are sincere and only interested in the Truth. Such folks can discuss these things without beginning and ending with attacks on the One Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, some cannot. Those who cannot and those who refuse to reconsider their acceptence of doctrines that by definition call Christ a liar, let them be anathema.

Those who continue to deny the deity of Christ can fool themselves however they like, but they should get used to the idea of hearing, "I never knew you" from the very Jesus Christ they deny is God.

1,679 posted on 01/18/2012 7:13:01 PM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: Rashputin; metmom; boatbums; caww; Iscool; presently no screen name
>>James said, “... not by faith only”.<<

James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28-29

>>Anyone who thinks James is wrong, that James lied or that James was misquoted, is saying that the Holy Spirit did not lead James or did not oversee and ensure the Truth of the Scriptures.<<

That’s why we have to take all of scripture to understand and not try to deceive with portions taken out of the context of the entire scripture. Your attempt to intimate that the verse in James means something it doesn’t would have made other portions of scripture untrue.

Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."

Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"

Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"

Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

1,689 posted on 01/18/2012 8:46:16 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Rashputin
James said, “... not by faith only”.

Jesus says.....

John 3:16-18 16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 6:28-30 28 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

John says.....

John 1:11 He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. 12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

So explain the contradiction that the Catholic interpretation of James causes, that works are required to earn salvation.

When someone goes even further and blatantly calls Christ Himself a liar by denying that He is present in the bread and wine when we remember Him, they are deliberately denying the deity of Christ by directly calling Christ a liar.

John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

So why do Catholics deny the very words of Jesus where He explains that what He just said was spiritual truths and not physical.

"the flesh is no help at all."

1,696 posted on 01/18/2012 9:25:22 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Rashputin
James said, “... not by faith only”.

I believe that...I believe Jesus wanted James to write that...And I also believe

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Why don't you ever quote that verse??? Can't deal with it??? You can't reconcile that verse along with the verses in James???

When someone goes even further and blatantly calls Christ Himself a liar by denying that He is present in the bread and wine when we remember Him, they are deliberately denying the deity of Christ by directly calling Christ a liar.

Hardly...We are calling your religion a liar...That cracker that you bow down to is NOT deity...Most Catholics don't even believe that nonsense...

1,714 posted on 01/19/2012 6:46:20 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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