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To: metmom
I realize it's tough for some people to see past their rabid anti-Catholicism, but:

Jesus Christ said the Holy Spirit would lead the Apostles to all truth.

James said, “... not by faith only”.

Anyone who thinks James is wrong, that James lied or that James was misquoted, is saying that the Holy Spirit did not lead James or did not oversee and ensure the Truth of the Scriptures.

Anyone who says the Holy Spirit did not guide the Apostles to all truth is calling Jesus Christ a liar.

Anyone who calls Jesus Christ a liar is denying that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, God from God, incapable of telling a lie.

It's about those who deny the deity of Christ. Being Catholic comes in when a Catholic reads how we're to deal with those who openly and repeatedly deny the deity of Jesus Christ. Even prior to recognizing that the Catholic Church is the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Himself and the One True Church, I didn't want anything to do with the sort of numb skulls who claimed to be Christian but denied the deity of Christ. Not the Watchtower crew, the Mormon crowd, and especially not pontificating posters pretending they are infallible interpreters of His Word while at the same time denying His Word and The Word which is Christ Himself at the same time.

Blather, babble, bumpkin interpretations, and everything else those who deny the deity of Christ post to excuse or hide their denial of Christ are all meaningless. Anathema applies because they have openly and repeatedly denied the deity and the Truth of His Word right along with their repeated denials of the deity of Christ.

So, such folks can wallow in whatever muddy little fantasy they like, especially any of them who also like to pretend they were once Catholic, they still cannot hide from the fact that they deny the deity of Jesus Christ. Therefore, the thing to do is leave them to their reprobate mind and pray for them. They've made their bed and either they'll be totally given over to a reprobate mind and continue to move ever further away from Christ, or the Holy Spirit will deal with them by other means.

1,669 posted on 01/18/2012 1:48:30 PM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: Rashputin

The Holy Spirit will lead ALL believers into all truth.

Any believer has the same Holy Spirit the apostles had.

Same Holy Spirit = same truth.

What He did for them, He can do for you and me.


1,670 posted on 01/18/2012 2:14:27 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Rashputin
So, such folks can wallow in whatever muddy little fantasy they like, especially any of them who also like to pretend they were once Catholic, they still cannot hide from the fact that they deny the deity of Jesus Christ. Therefore, the thing to do is leave them to their reprobate mind and pray for them. They've made their bed and either they'll be totally given over to a reprobate mind and continue to move ever further away from Christ, or the Holy Spirit will deal with them by other means.

Where are you even coming from???!!! I do not deny the deity of Jesus Christ, he is Almighty God incarnate, God in the flesh and I have NEVER denied him. I am also a former Roman Catholic who has no need to pretend about anything but, from the start, I have truthfully testified of my conversion. I praise the Lord that he led me to the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ who saves us by his grace through faith. Do you think such hateful and vindictive words against those here who have also stated the same glorifies the Lord? Has it occurred to you that you may repel others from Christ? Do you think the way you speak to others honors God or draws people to your church?

Why not accept that we can dispute doctrines of the Catholic Church and do so without being "rabid anti-Catholicism"??? YES, Jesus said the Holy Spirit would be given to lead believers into all truth and it was a promise not just to the Apostles but ALL believers. The revelation of Jesus Christ that the writers of Scripture recorded was done so that we can all know truth from error. The Holy Spirit does not change because God does not change and he is just as ready to illuminate the truths of God to believers here and now as he was in the first century. Wallow in that for a while, why don't you.

1,688 posted on 01/18/2012 8:40:09 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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